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  • 1.0 stars

    "DON'T"

    February 8, 2006  |   By webgrrrl

    Pros

    none

    Cons

    The Spyware Warrior List of

    Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites review of this application.

    Spyware Terminator

    Domains:

    spywareterminator.com

    spyterm.com

    crawler.com <--- NOTE

    vendor connected w/ known spyware/adware distributor (IBIS/Websearch);

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  • Reply by Björn Lundahl on April 24, 2006

    YOU CAN NOT TRUST THIS SOFTWARE AND COMPANY!

    23-Apr-2006 05:16:40 AM

    Reviewer: Bjýrn Lundahl

    Cons: Logically I think you should not trust this software and company! A "anti-spyware software" that has been on Spyware Warrior rogue list is something bad. You can not really believe that this company has changed "its soul" and suddenly wants to fight spyware with its whole soul? They play serious, I think. They want a better reputation, BUT THEY DO NOT HATE SPYWARE!! Because I do not think they are schizophrenic! Best Regards, Bjorn Lundahl, Gothenburg, Sweden

  • Reply by webgrrrl on March 13, 2006

    Here is what Spyware Warrior has written on their webpage about delisted apps.

    "That an application has been de-listed should NOT BE UNDERSTOOD AS AN ENDORSEMENT OR RECOMMENDATION OF ANY KIND. We still recommend that users consult the short list of "trustworthy" anti-spyware applications."

    Personally I think that short list leaves a lot to be desired. You get the point though.

    Spyware Terminator actually did very poorly in tests performed by very knowledgeable SWW members. Of all of the many ASW apps out there only a very few are really effective anymore.

    Scanners with ref databases like Spyware Terminator have been outclassed by polymorphic spyware, which behave like trojans, and if you really want adequate protection you are going to have to get more 'state of the art' about it.

    Spyware Terminator is by no means state of the art, and it has consistently performed very poorly against real spyware threats. It has some limited effectiveness against older types of spyware and tracking cookies though, and I really hope it improves. It would be great to have another effective and reliable anti-spyware application available.

    I use Ewido Anti-Malware and Privacy Software Corporation's BOclean myself, in addition to AVG Antivirus SpywareBlaster and HijackThis.

  • Reply by roger_m on March 11, 2006

    Note on SpywareTerminator: We originally listed Spyware Terminator on this page out of concerns that Crawler, the company behind the product, had established connections with IBIS, a well known adware distributor responsible for such adware programs as Wintools, Websearch, & Huntbar. Although we found no problems in our initial testing with Spyware Terminator, and while the vendor itself announced that it was exiting the adware business (1), we decided out of caution to impose a three month probation period before we would consider re-testing and, if warranted, de-listing the the product from the Rogue/Suspect list. During that three month probation period we monitored the behavior of IBIS and Crawler. At the end of the three month probation period we re-tested Spyware Terminator, again finding no problems serious enough to justify listing the program on this page. As the vendor involved has not been involved in the distribution of adware for many months, and as the program itself exhibits no problems serious enough to warrant mention on this page, we have decided to de-list Spyware Terminator from the Rogue/Suspect list and can no longer regard the program to be "rogue/suspect."

    Note: not to be confused with Spyware X-terminator from Stompsoft

    [A: 12-5-05 / U: 3-9-06]

    What have you got to say about the delisting webgrrl/channi?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 21, 2006

    LOL!

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 20, 2006

    lol...webgrrrl. Phony antispyware...thats funny. fcukdat and OldFrog on the Spyware Warrior forums are both very respected and have commented quite highly on the quality of the Spyware Terminator product.

    Talk to Eric or Suzy in a couple weeks. They will tell you about the quality of the product and that its not phony. It wont even be listed on the Rogue page anymore.

    I think at this juncture it would be your best idea to consult a master reverse coder...someone who can translate Assembly into its original language, be it C++, Delphi, VB, or Java. You will then be able to look at the Spyware Terminator code for yourself and determine the nature of the product.

    Even that won't get you anywhere anyway. This product is 100% safe.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 20, 2006

    answers dot com defines Dimwitted as:

    Lacking in intelligence: blockheaded, dense, doltish, dumb, hebetudinous, obtuse, stupid, thickheaded, thick-witted. Informal thick. Slang dopey.

    Any of these words describe webgrrrl perfectly.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 20, 2006

    Quote:

    It is an honor to be stalked by CRAWLER/IBIS Websearch.

    You are obviosluy not too bright so it does makes sense that you are not smart enouugh realise that neither I or CableGuyTK work for either Cralwer or IBIS.

    Quote:

    If posting warnings about phony anti-spyware wasn't effective, they would not be doing it.

    What phony anti-spyware?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 20, 2006

    It is an honor to be stalked by CRAWLER/IBIS Websearch.

    If posting warnings about phony anti-spyware wasn't effective, they would not be doing it.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 20, 2006

    You dont understand roger...that is all she has left...ALL.

    Spyware Warrior admins are going to be reviewing the software in a couple weeks and it will be off that rogue list before you can spell "rogue".

    Softpedia lists it as 100% clean...and there are the testimonials from many people, INCLUDING all the people on the SPYWARE WARRIOR FORUMS, who have found this software clean.

    There are people who have actually TESTED the software outside of you and me who have found the scanning engine and the real time agents to be of high quality.

    Actual developers from Crawler have REPLIED on SPYWARE WARRIOR FORUMS and stated their case.

    Ad-Aware, SpyBot, Windows Defender, SpyDefense, and Advanced Spyware Remover don't even detect Spyware Terminator as spyware or as having spyware included.

    All she has left is to accuse me of having multiple logins on download.com, using them to "spam" review sections of certain products, and saying that you are uninformed. Hell...22 years passes me...Ive only got 10 years of computer experience under my belt.

    Oh and by the way, to followup on your statement webgrrrrl: (in particular this one where you quoted Spyware Warrior about delisted programs) the fact that Ad-Aware and SpyBot or all those safe programs you trust aren't listed isn't a reason not to suspect them, either. Most of them send back data to servers, and whether safe info or not, it is a behavior you don't seem to appreciate.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 19, 2006

    Quote:

    I think "roger", though very uninformed, is just some guy sticking his snoz in, but the others are Cableguy.

    Why do you think that I am uninformed?

    Why?

    Because I come here posting the the verifiable truth?

    You only the other hand only say lies and specuclation.

    Because I don't agree with what you say?

    All I am positng here is the truth.

    I guess that if I agreed with the lies and mis-information you stated in your posts here you would consider me to informed.

    If you ever want to stop criticising anyone who disagrees with your opinion and actually have a serious dicussion, I'd be more than happy to.

    Finally I wish to add that as someone who has been using computers for 22 years and has been using anti-spyware software since the Steve Gibson released the first anti-spyware program, I am very informed about comouters and about spyware.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 19, 2006

    dude you are making a dumb accusation. now prove it. just prove it thats all i ask.

    I want you read each of web_boooy's posts, mine and Miril's. Compare the grammar. Just do it.

    You didn't comment on what I said about Miril and his comments, and you completely discount roger as a party in this discussion.

    If I was in fact Miril or web_boooy, I would have at least praised each others posts and reviews and what not. Do you 1) see me praising Miril, or web_boooy (whether they deserve it or not? 2) do you see web_boooy doing that? 3) do you see Miril doing that?

    The answer is no...to all three.

    Web_boooy hasnt even written any reviews. His only job on here is to reply to your dumb@$$ posts...or at least he makes it his job.

    I on the other hand prefer to write original reivews (see all 295 of them yourself) and the only time I reply is when I feel I can make an educated reponse to any replies to my reviews. I dont otherwise REPLY to peoples posts, negative or positive. Having said that, do you see my reply on ANY reivews on here which are positive saying how great a review it is? or how awesome the reviewer is? No.

    You really need to get a clue.

    I can only give you so much proof. The only other thing I can tell you to do is ask Download.com peoples themselves.

    The only thing I can leave you with is this:

    What would be my motive for creating more than one username? To promote Crawler software when I don't work for them?

    I know you also assume and accuse me of working for Crawler. Well I don't. If I did why would I take the time to come on to Download.com and review not ONLY Crawler software, but over 200 other softwares from other developers? To make myself look legitimate? If that were the case each one of my reviews would probably be one to two lines at most. But that isn't the case. Each of my reviews took at least 5 minutes to write as they are well thought out. Why, if I worked for Crawler, would I take the time to do that? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (as you like to say). MAYBE, I don't work for Crawler...did ya ever think of that?

    Yeah I didn't think so either.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 19, 2006

    Cableguy wites, "Lets see here...Join dates: CableguyTK: May 17, 2002 web_boooy: February 17, 2006 roger_m: October 28, 2005 Miril Strike: December 31, 2005. Its kind of hard for all those 4 to be from the same person."

    LOL! He has got to be kidding!

    Unbelievable.

    I think "roger", though very uninformed, is just some guy sticking his snoz in, but the others are Cableguy.

    When Spywrae Warrior delist Spyware Terminator, it only means they can't find evidence it has spyware, AT THIS TIME, or they have no proof they are still tied to IBIS Websearch.

    It doesn't mean their app is trustworthy or reliable, and it for sure doesnlt mean it wont be full of spyware later.

    More on that from Spyware Warrior

    "That an application has been de-listed should not be understood as an endorsement or recommendation of any kind. We still recommend that users consult the short list of "trustworthy" anti-spyware applications."

    When CRAWLER is deleisted, if it ever is, it sure wont make that short list.

    Leopards and spots.

    Use common sense and play it safe. Do NOT trust outfits like Crawler. <-- that's a period

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 19, 2006

    Its ok Web_Boooy. Its all she has left. She has no fire left...not that she had any to start with.

    All she has left is to make stupid accusations that you or I have multiple accounts here on Download.com and we post comparable material in those replies using all those different names.

    Lets see here...Join dates:

    CableguyTK: May 17, 2002

    web_boooy: February 17, 2006

    roger_m: October 28, 2005

    Miril Strike: December 31, 2005

    Its kind of hard for all those 4 to be from the same person.

    webgrrrl all you have left is to accuse people that they are the same person. No one really agrees with you. But you for some reason believe that your ideas are the "actual" truth and that there is no one who would believe otherwise...and those who would are obviously the same person right?

    You would make a great politician, a republican one. No research, no data, just a bunch of accusations and assumptions with 0 proof of truth with them all.

    It seems you don't even read the posts from the actual people. If you read roger's post he thinks i have some BS that I'm not telling...if I was posting under roger's name I definitely wouldnt be accusing myself of being untruthful.

    If you read Miril's post he disgusted with not only your posts in particular, but mine as well...Why would I criticize myself?

    And web_boooy has been replying to your reviews for months before I even started reviewing software on Download.com. I only started reviewing last in January.

    You have 0 proof of not only Spyware Terminator being "dirty", but you have 0 proof of any of the posters here being one person or another...let alone all that jargon you were speaking about PKLAT or whatever the hell that is.

    Just call me in 2 weeks dude. Call me when rogue warrior removes Spyware Terminator off the rogue list...

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 19, 2006

    web_boooy wrote, "Let me tell you something funny about webgrrrl, she first called me simon someone in her other reviews last month, .."

    Ah, simon "someone" he says, as 'if' he could not remember reading simon_chronic in my post directly above his own.

    Such obviously feigned ignorance. He thinks that if he acts like he can't remember it will help his story somehow. Like, how could it be him, when he doesn't even remember the name. Same poor logic and resulting transparency as "Cabelguy" and his other IDs. Mind of a child.

    This is also the same guy who signed on as the TREKBLUE/TREKDATA "developer" calling himself "Pklat", who 'erupted' in vicious rage (tantrum), when I criticized the phony antispyware app 'they' put out under TREKBLUE. He began stalking me using his web_boooy ID immediately after that occurred.

    TREKBLUE/TREKDATA and CRAWLER are owned by the same "guy", and both cater to IBIS Websearch.

    So tell me 'Todd'. Are you a "TREKY"? Or should I call you "PKLAT". Was Pklat a "romulan" or what? I forget now. So what is your OT level dude? Or should I say dud? Don't forget to be quiet when you go home tonight. You wouldn't want to wake up your mom. You know how she yells.

    Closing in with a class action lawsuit one of these days.

    Your pal,

    webgrrrl

  • Reply by roger_m on February 19, 2006

    Quote:

    Though spyware free upon download, their "trojanware" later is injected with spyware during "updates", for the purpose of data harvesting and web tracking.

    Would you care to tell us where you got your information from webgrrrl?

    If you want to discredit a program how about you stick to facts and not speculation.

  • Reply by web_boooy on February 19, 2006

    Webgrrrl when you get time from your paid review posting and flaming of other reviews, can you reply to my reviews of your reviews on other products? Thanks, you're the best rogue reviewer, i mean it, keep up the good work!

    I would love to continue to discuss with you at this review, but this is too long for me.

  • Reply by web_boooy on February 19, 2006

    Let me tell you something funny about webgrrrl, she first called me simon someone in her other reviews last month, now she calls me part of crawler, and tomorrow she will say I run claria, and after that I invented adware. You see my point. This is the person you want to trust for your reviews???

    She gets paid and when she is caught she gets delusional and starts reviewing. This person doesn't review products just spits out review. Its almost comedic to see her defend and belittle a product she has not tried. Don't trust her reviews.

    I was going over some of my reviews of webgrrrl reviews from the past and she called me platak and now she is calling me cableguytk. In regards to accusations I think you must have a history of making delusion assessments. I wonder what you are going to type next, its fun to read at times actually. I say you stop typing because you are making your self look silly.

    It’s comedic to read your reviews, really thanks for the entertainment. I am sure it sucks for the developer to have a nut such as you review there products but you talk as if you tested the product (this is for all products) but you don’t even download the product. Right I want to trust the reviews of someone like that?

    Oh ya people did I mention she gets paid? I have been consistent in this claim for weeks now. Read my reviews of webgrrrls reviews and see for your self :- ) Now that she has been cornered she has started accusing others of being paid.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 19, 2006

    This "Miril Strike" ID is also known here as CableguyTK and web_boooy, Aeronimatic and simon_chronic, in addition to several other IDs. He is also known as ChewyFood on other software review sites.

    This guy is either paid to promote the software vended by (or is more likely the owner of) a shady software publisher of phony antispyware, spywaretoolbars and other adware filled crap, known as CRAWLER.

    Crawler has long standing ties to the known spyware/adware pusher IBIS Websearch. Which trough CRAWLER has been "giving away free" mediocre software, with lots of bells and whistles that all link together as plug-ins to their spyware toolbar, and a useless antispyware app which only removes the spyware/adware seeded by their competitors.

    Though spyware free upon download, their "trojanware" later is injected with spyware during "updates", for the purpose of data harvesting and web tracking.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 18, 2006

    Its funny how you think there something worth questioning with DC, like a conspiracy or something...as if this is on par with the conspiracy that is the Iraq war.

    Miril Strike: Is there a law against giving a 5/5 for a software I find to be of high quality? I tested each and every one of the Crawler softwares. As I have said, it is true that they are all just installers for the Crawler toolbar. If that is the case, then if I find the Crawler toolbar to be worthy of 5/5, then why should I not give all the other softwares (which I DID TEST) 5/5 if they are the exact same product?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 18, 2006

    Why did download(.)com delete the review written by CabelguyTK?

    Why did download(.)com remove the user-rating STARS for this app?

    Why did download(.)com remove the STARS and leave their places visible with grayed out stars?

    HMMMMMMMMMMM

  • Reply by Miril Strike on February 18, 2006

    You both I believe are supporters for each company that you keep giving positive reviews on. If you notice, CableGuy put perfect on everything Crawler made and not a lesser score.

    Yet, however, webgrrl is just plain terrible because Spyware Terminator has no spyware and detected some items I purposly put to see if its definitions were correct and not false. I have Spy Emergency, Ad-Aware Pro, Spybot S & D, Spyware Doctor, Windows Defender, and 3B Spyware Protection Pro, and none of them lable it as harmful.

    I can't believe how long these replies are and how you people keep copying everything and just keep doing repetative items.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 17, 2006

    What GLARINGLY obvious answer? Im not even employed by ANYONE in this world, let alone Crawler. The last time I received any sort of money from the internet was when I used to do that stuff back during 2000-2001 with AllAdvtage and GotoWorld, with using an advertisement bar to make free money. I ended up making $20 from AllAdvantage and like $25 from GotoWorld. And if you do any of your internet history research, you will find that those companies are dead as the internet .com bubble has since bursted and money isnt growing off trees.

    Again, read what Crawler_Team on the SW forum said. Its AGAINST their policy to have someone associated with crawler posting on sites like DC.

    You make it seem like I'm devoted to pushing Crawler software on here.

    As I have noted, I review software on Softpedia.

    I forgot to mention that I also review software on FileForum/Betanews, under the same monicker.

    What more evidence do you need? With people like you, its like you don't believe anything unless you can put it in your mouth and taste it. "Oh it might smell like Orange Juice, and it might look like Orange Juice, and its pH is acidic, and it has pulp like orange juice should, but its not Orange Juice unless I taste it."

    Again, I ask you, what evidence do you have that indicates I "push" Spyware Terminator? What evidence do you have that shows I "push" Crawler software? What evidence do you have that I push "spyware" infected software?

    I told you that I haven't reviewed a single software POSITIVELY that includes spyware, and that evidence is available to you right here on download.com. That same evidence is also available on Softpedia.com. That same evidence is also available on FileForum/Betanews.

    I implore you to search the web for any kind of forum posts that I have made where I "push" Spyware Terminator or Crawler software. My usual practice for softwares I like is to post them in the Back Page News forum on Neowin. I have neither posted information about Spyware Terminator or any Crawler software in that forum. Go search, I have the same username as I have on Softpedia...or FileForum/Betanews. If I were to push anything I would post it there.

    I really don't frequent many other forums. The only reason I am here so much and makes it seem like I spend so much time because I feel the need to rebut any dumb comments you make about my life, or stupid claims about spyware.

    How do you know so much about IBIS and Crawler? Seriously. Every post you speak like you are the all knowing king of information. Its either you way or the highway. You speak as if you run these adware companies. You seriously sound more associated to a company in competition with IBIS/Crawler than I shound associated with Crawler.

    Have you seen me in ANY of my posts make any comments about this being better than another product? Did my review say anything about one being better than another?

    Answer: no. If you don't believe me then you should go back and read the review I wrote for Spyware Terminator version 1.1 (which was the same exact content in the review for version 1.2) the only thing I mentioned about another product was MS Antispyware and how much it looked like it...and I even used that fact as a "CON", not only a "PRO". And if you read all my reviews, the majority of the content is to rebut your dumb claims about Crawler being a spyware company...not about Spyware Terminator being better or worse than any other products.

    I think you should check the fake reviews for all those hacked up Ares clients. Each review COMPARES the hacked up product to the real thing: "THIS IS BETTER THAN ARES"..."THIS IS BETTER THAN LIMEWIRE!"...blah blah blah. I have never ONCE said that when speaking about Spyware Terminator. I may have said at some point that Microsoft Antispyware is better than AdAware or SpyBot somewhere, but those three programs are all names YOU trust.

    But the best is, the second a new review on DC is posted for Spyware Terminator you feel the need to reply saying Crawler softwares were removed from DC...Kathan's review. Even though Crawler_Team made it quite clear that THEY requested the removal. Why can't you just leave the review alone? You make it a POINT to reply to it.

    Lets see here: I have reviewed 290 different softwares. I have reviewed some positively, some negatively and some neutrally. If I review a software positvely and see other uses review it negatively, I dont even feel the need to reply to it at all, nor have I.

    You on the other hand, if you see a review for a product that completely goes against what you said you feel the need to reply. You make it seem that DC users are DUMB and can't formulate their own opinions based on user reviews.

    I ask you these two questions:

    In the old version 1.1 reviews, there are several negative reviews claming trojan or spyware. Of those reviews not written by you, which did I reply in?

    In the old version 1.1 reviews, there are several positive reviews saying how great a product spyware terminator is. Of those reviews not written by me, which did YOU reply in?

    The answer to the first question: none.

    The answer to the second question: all of them.

    I can go through them if you want:

    Positive ones you have replied to: Ramesh Ganaphaty, CableguyTK (mine), alafandy, gabemorr, delta_morpheus, viiluu, chris7272, JohnKrn, Stinger15, faluar, LoW_Reviewer, dulk, John_Peters, _Ryan_, jeff_rey, mistercz, raulzv, pbjpbj, johnmurrayone, ikeame and GOLDENGREEKE.

    Negative ones you have replied to: NONE

    Positive ones I have replied to (that don't include your reply first): NONE

    Negative ones I have replied to: NONE

    If a review has a 1/5 star you dont reply because you think that is the RIGHT information.

    If the review has 2/5, 3/5, 4/5 or 5/5 you reply saying the person is wrong.

    The point I'm trying to make is that you accuse me of pushing Crawler software. If I were to do that you would see replies in all the positive reviews about how true those reviewers are, and you would see replies in the negative reviews about how wrong they are.

    You on the other hand...well I pointed out my evidence above.

    You just can't leave people to form their own opinions. People see your review, you dont have to go pushing that information into everyone elses review with the reply button. They see it once, they don't need to see if 500 times.

    Don't give me any crap about my replies. All of my replies in Spyware Terminator reviews were following your lame-a$$ replies saying that you should just keep your comments to your review, and your review alone.

    Its like you have something set up with Download.com where it alerts you of any new reviews that come in. "Ooh look a new review. It looks like its time to post another reply about spyware warrior".

    The funny thing is now that crawler_team has replied on their forums, and now that people are leaning towards this product actually being good, the only things you are left to comment about is how crawler software was removed from Download.com, which Crawler actually authorized...and dumb accusations that I push spyware programs, which I have showed you time and time again that I don't.

    You are losing the battle. After spywarewarrior removes it from their list, what leverage will you have? Please explain this to me.

    The only thing left you will have is: "this company was one bad. please don't use this". Again, you sound like a bushie when you say that. "Evolution isn't concrete. Please teach intelligent design".

    Get a life and a new job webgrrrl.

  • Reply by web_boooy on February 17, 2006

    Hi Sis... why dont you go ahead and tell everyone the truth about you getting paid. Its funny how you are twisting it around and saying the other guys are getting paid.

    Let me tell you something funny-webgrrrl first called me simon someone in her reviews last month, now she calls me part of crawler, and tomorrow she will say I run claria, and after that I intvented adware. You see my point. This is the person you want to trust for your reviews???

    Webgrrrl gets paid to write reviews read my review of her on her other reviews for more info. Many of them are going beacuse the software is updated, how ever I will make my round s on her rogue reviews. I have seem this person just be malicious, disrepectaful, and harmful to companies. Its disguesting and thats why I am goign to review her reviews.

    Its a simple question why would someone flame reviews of positive reviews not only of this product but of other products as well. This person has nothing better to do but write negative reviews and then also write negative reviews of positive reviews and reply to every reply. Because she gets paid.

    I hope you design better then review, which i doubt because your website sucks. Spend more time working on your own site instead of harming people, oh thats right getting paid is more profitable so why spend time designing?

    You must of been neglated or had some serious issues as a child to hold so much anger and go out of your way to be this destructive to vendors. Oh thats right you get paid.

    I think the concept you can never trust vendors is so stupid. I disagree with everyone. So what if ccleaner is offering yahoo toolbar, they are trying to make money. If you download the program then you can select to not have the yahoo toolbar installed. If the customer doesnnot want it then he says no.

    Also webrrrl you have terms and privacy policy for a reason. If companys break them then they can get sued so I see nothing wrong with trusting software such as ccleaner. Again I could care less about crawler, I have never installed and could care less since I love my google toolbar and my microsoft antispyware. Please keep in mind that if you do not have a licensed version of windows then you cant have microsft and then you have to search a bit.

    You are just pathetic how you get paid, you spend hours a day for no reason reviewing... people she gets paid... I think everyone that agrees with me about webgrrrl could say rogue reviewer in there post... you should be on a 3 month probation for your rogue reviews.

    Anyway I have many other reviews to review today of webgrrrl so I am off my way to reviewing webgrrrl.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 17, 2006

    The glaringly obvious answer is, that you are paid by CRAWLER to promote their software, and obviously it is a full time job judging by how much time you spend here doing it.

    Just as before, IBIS Websearch pays CRAWLER to develop and distribute as widely as possible, by giving it away, crappy software which WILL LATER be used as a platform for IBIS Websearch SPYWARE at future updates.

    That is how IBIS Websearch makes their money. Diabolically insidious isn't it?

    Just as you wrote Cableguy, "CCleaner? Now comes with Yahoo! Toolbar. When Download.com updates CCleaner, I will post a more negative review."

    Watch out for those updates huh? I knew this would happen eventually. That is why long ago I turned off the automatic update function in CCleaner.

    The moral of the story is.

    It is wise to be suspicious of freeware. With few exceptions the motive behind freeware is not at all altruistic. For a time it may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, to gain your trust, and then later on BAM!

    Only a very naive person would ever trust CRAWLER freeware, and only a greedy conscienceless sociopath would ever, knowing these things, promote their garbage for money.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 17, 2006

    What spyware pushing?

    Name me ONE software that contains spyware/adware that I have reviews POSITIVELY?! Just one...thats all i ask.

    Spyware Terminator? No spyware. Positive review.

    Spyware Sledgehammer? NO SPYWARE. Neutral review b/c of junky product.

    Crawler Toolbar? NO SPYWARE. Its a good product and I reviewed it positively.

    Ares P2P? Spyware included. Negative review.

    WinMX Music? Spyware included. Negative review.

    Filecroc? Spyware included. Negative review.

    CCleaner? Now comes with Yahoo! Toolbar. When Download.com updates CCleaner, I will post a more negative review.

    You are making such ludacrous claims webgrrrl. Which software do I push that has spyware or adware in it? Which? I want to know.

    Which software does Roger push that has spyware?

    Can you please get some proof to back up your claims before making them? Please?

    And roger...what BS? What are you referring to? Everything I have told you is the truth. What BS??? WHAT BS???

    Can you take the time and read my reviews? Can you TELL ME what indicates "BS" to you?

    Roger if you really think that I am "BS"'ing you then you also need your head checked. What REASONS would I have for providing BS on here?

    Im an engineering student who works for his school and who downloads and tries new software for fun. What would be my purpose for wasting my time in providing BS information or BS reviews?

  • Reply by roger_m on February 17, 2006

    Quote:

    Spywarepusher as roger/cableguy/chewyfood/web_booy etc.

    Let me make it very clear, that I am not a spyware pusher. If you choose to believe otherwise that's up to you I guess.

    Quote:

    My little contribution here doesn't amount to much. I am well aware of that. Obviously it really bugs you a whole lot though. Downloads of your garbage have dropped off a bit have they? No wonder you are so outraged.

    Look webgrrrl I have no association with Crawler ok?

    Like you I hate spyware, howver unlike you I don't feel the need to resort to lies and mis-information when trying to discredit a program.

    If you would stick the facts and did not feel the need

    to flames everyone who disagrees with your opinion, I would not be posting replys to your comments every day.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 17, 2006

    Spywarepusher as roger/cableguy/chewyfood/web_booy etc.

    You wrote, "No one cares about the ***** you post here, except for yourself. You think you are some kind of hero for warning people about suspect anti-spyware software."

    My little contribution here doesn't amount to much. I am well aware of that. Obviously it really bugs you a whole lot though. Downloads of your garbage have dropped off a bit have they? No wonder you are so outraged.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 17, 2006

    In reply to CableGuyTK you said:

    What do I want from you? How about this? Stop with the lying b-u-l-l s-h-i-t. Stop with the multiple IDs and substituting insults in place of an argument. Stop trying to manipulate us and insulting our intelligence with your transparent scat. And for the love of pete do not even try to play the victim. The way you tried to portray yourself above, as a harried victim who of "principle" simply must stick to his guns, is nothing less than laughable. Oh, by the way. Calling me "dude" and "sir" just makes look even sillier, and honestly I don't mind at all.

    No webgirrl how about YOU stop lying and with the b-u-l-l s-h-i-t.

    No one cares about the crap you post here, except for yourself.

    You think you are some kind of hero for warning people about suspect anti-spyware software. That would be fine if:

    A: You knew enough about computers to know what you were talking about.

    It is clearly evident you don't as in an old review of ZeroSpyware 2005 you said it contained keyloggers. This is simply not true, but you stated that because AdAware detects some registry entries for ZeroSpyware as being a spyware component.

    This is NOT the case, this is simply an attempt for the programmers of AdAware to put a black mark on ZeroSpyware so they purchase the retail version of AdAwre instead of ZeroSpyware. It's a shame you are too ignorant to realise that.

    B: You didn't spread deliberate lies to get your point accross.

    In your comments for Spyware Terminator you have falseley stated that AdAware and SpyBot Search & Destroy and detect the Crawler Toolbar as being spyware.

    As I have previously stated - this is simply not true - neither of this products detect Crawler Toolbar as spyware.

    There is not much more to say other than that

    A: You will flame me because of my comments

    B: Anyone can download the the Crawler Toolbar, and test it with Ad-Aware and SpyBot and then the truth will be evident - YOU webgirrl are full of !@#@ and I only ever speak the truth.

    But of course that won't stop you from posting your pathetic lies and mis-information here. But really who cares? The truth is evident, and if you want to live in your delusional fantasy land then I hope you are happy. That's ok, but the rest of us live in the real world and are sick of your !@#$

    As a final comment I just want to add that I really respect the work of Eric, Suzi, and everyone else at Spyware Warrior.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 17, 2006

    please point me to these "publishers" you know. because it seems you know so much about these people making it seem like you are one yourself. I am obviously unaware of such practices.

    My experiences show publishers just to post 1 sentence reviews of their software along the lines of "This software is awesome". My reviews are far from one sentence.

    I keep repeating myself because you just can't get it through your brain that there is more to software reviewing than copying and pasting information from other sites. You have to form your own opinions based on testing.

    You also can't seem to get it through your head that I have no affiliation with Crawler, even after the crawler_team user on the SW forums (who I don't know or have any interaction with) specifically stated he/she did not know me.

    I dont know if you have ever actually gone to an undergraduate program or something, but when they make you write papers and lab reports you can't just copy-paste text books or journal articles. You have to formulate your own hypotheses and conclusions based on data acquisition and analysis.

    No one is asking reviewers to be experts, but they are surely hoping reviewers will be original and provide some worthwhile material that will help make them decide on whether to download the software or not.

    Im sorry, but one sentence doesn't cut it in reviewing software. I dare you to find a Download.com editorial review which is one or two sentences long.

    There is no way anyone can fit an original opinion in one sentence...well apparently you can, however your opinions seems to be "this software is awesome" or "this software is junk". There is no way you can describe a software to its full extent in one sentence. And even if you could, it would be one hellofa run-on sentence.

    Most inexperienced users here to download.com would PROBABLY prefer to read a review like mine which goes into details about a program rather than a review like yours which says "this program rules" or "this program is junk", or "$30 is too expensive get something free".

    Believe me, when I read reviews for software here, I take special care to read the well-thought out ones which decribe the nature of the program as opposed to ones which just say "this software is great (or terrible".

    But hey, if one sentence reviews is your thing, Im not going to be able to change your ways. You will probably just get a lot less "helpful" votes...not that they mean anything anyway...it would just show your time (what minimal amount you have used in reviewing software) has gone to waste.

    And by the way, I dont download screensavers or cursors either. I just think that after all your stupid reviews for Crawler softwares which you didn't even TEST, I figured that those same softwares deserved a review from a user who would actually take the time to install the software.

    Its one thing to test a software...but jeez, you seem to have a personal vendetta against Crawler, kept a watchful eye on if and when their softwares would be added, and immediately gave it a 1/5 review the first chance you could get.

    Not only that, you gave all the honest reviews, which already existed for those software, your stupid reply of "blah blah spyware vendor".

    It will be pretty funny when Spyware Terminator is removed off the SW rogue list...it will make you look pretty stupid.

    You pass the word out on "phony" apps, eh? Who employs you to do that? Ah, yes thats right, you are Mr. Community, saving people from themselves. What a purple heart you have!

    Not even I set out just to do something as ambitiious as that. I just set out to give an honest, original review of every software I have downloaded and tried.

    Your "ambitious" project doesn't even involve giving softwares an honest, original and fair review. Its SW listing or nothing.

    Besides, SW already does the job of alerting people...unless of course you work for them...which web_boy keeps eluding to.

    I mean, seriously, look at your review of Spyware Sledgehammer. The programs is clean, there is not spyware or adware included with it. Yet here is your review:

    "Pros: NONE

    Cons: Check out the developers page.

    They make outrageous claims about it's effectiveness with lots of hype about it having "100% free" customer support, and yet there is no support or contact information available at all. They don't even have an email address!

    No Privacy Policy

    No EULA

    No Contact Info

    No Support"

    If you were to actually give this a fair review and actually try out the program you could have at least given one PRO that it is in fact free, however cr@ppy the program is. The program isn't going to cause your computer to go into the $h!ter, but it certainly won't revive it either. But being that it is CLEAN of adware and spyware it deserves yours, or any users download and testing, something which I did.

    The software is crap, I agree, but it was still deserving of a test since it is clean.

    Even SW doesnt make note of Spyware or Adware: They just give out information based on what they found by TESTING the program: "inadequate info about app & company, no privacy policy (1); uses inadequate ref database & scan detection scheme [A: 2-3-06 / U: 2-3-06]"

    They at least TESTED it.

    Im not so much concerned with the fact that you choose to stear clear of softwares from vendors who you believe to be spyware related companies, that is your choice, but at least AVOID the temptation to post a review compiled on your predisposition about the company or the product wihtout even testing the product.

    The user reviews are for users to post REVIEWS regarding the product following actual USE of the product...at least that is what I believe.

    I personally think you are helping nobody by doing such reviews without product testing. People can click your name and see your reviews. What do you expect them to think when they see 60-80 reviews of which are all the same thing... "Spyware warrior says this"? I can guarantee they are not thinking you are some kind of saint or patriot out for the greater good of the community. Im sure they would probably think you are spamming the hell out of SW over download.com...include that with the fact that you post that same information in a reply in every positive review for a product you think is cr@p.

    I don't think there are many people who would look favorably on such practices.

    And don't give me your cr@p about how people won't like my practices, practices like logging in multiple time spamming products with multiple positive reviews. I say that because I HAVE NO PRACTIVES. I am a single user who has a single login to download.com who honestly reviews software. All the positive reviews you see here for Spyware Terminator are genuine. Where do you think those reviews came from BEFORE I started reviewing software on download.com in mid January?

    As I said if you want fake reviews for software, go take a look at Ares hacks like Ares MP3, Ares Gold, etc. You will see my NEGATIVE review about the spyware in the product, and you will see that the developers logged in like 20 times and gave my reviews 20 not-helpful votes, pushing it to the backpage, because it was in fact truthful. And you will see like 3-5 reviews of 5/5 star votes all of which are one line reviews that say "THIS PROGRAM IS BETTER THAN LIMEWIRE!".

    I have no programming skill whatsoever, and the only program I have ever coded in my life was probably an immature connect-4 game done in QBASIC which didn't work very well to begin with. Believe me, I seriously have no skill whatsoever to be associated with ANY program, let alone crawler software.

    Besides...I have been a member of Download.com long before Crawler was Crawler...

    Member since: May 17, 2002.

    Ive been using download.com before you even knew the site existed. I used to visit download.com on a daily basis back in the day when I was an avid ICQ user back in 1998-1999.

    I think you really need to get your head examined before you start accusing me of all this stuff you THINK I do.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 16, 2006

    Every shady vendor of known rogue or obviously dubious software, who has ever bothered to sign on with a "developers response" and address me here, has made the exact same false accusations you have. What a coincidence.

    They, like you, have also repeated them endlessly, and they have like you played the victim, all while doing their best to smear me.

    Most of the software I have reviewed I have used for years. Zone Alarm was great until it was bought by another software company and ruined. I use Sunbelt/Kerio Personal Firewall now, and it is everything ZA once was and more.

    Since most downloaders here are not experts, I keep my reviews short, simple, to the point, and I speak honestly of my own personal experience. You write long winded reviews filled with hype and spin. You put out a sales pitch. That is when you are not flaming those who disagree with you.

    I do not download "free" cursors, "free" screensavers, "free" wallpaper, "free" weather watchers, "free" browser skins, "free" email notifiers, "free" toolbars, "free" phony anti-spyware apps and other "free" JUNK, from known spyware vendors.

    So stop trying to goad me into doing so. I used to jump at all the pretty 'bells and whistles', vendors like you put out, but I have learned over time not to.

    Yes I do pass the word on phony spyware apps. What I pass on is current, accurate, good information, gathered by the experts who test it. I see no reason, to risk getting an infection on my only PC, in a misguided attempt to duplicate their efforts. I don't have to take poison to know what it will do either, and you can just forget about getting me to download your junk. It is not going to happen.

    I take the effort you put out trying to smear as a huge compliment.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 16, 2006

    what lying? WHAT LYING?

    have you even taken the time to do what I have asked of you?

    have you searched my name on google?

    have you gone to softpedia?

    have you emailed the editors at softpedia?

    You are diluded to think that I am "lying".

    Everything in that previous post is complete truth. But you are obviously too think skulled to believe any of it.

    MAYBE...JUST MAYBE you would have a case if I were to be posting all I have been saying for a product that isn't free. MAYBE. Maybe then you could say I'm trying to get people to pay money for a product thats not worth the money.

    But I implore you to look at all my reviews. I would have to say most of the softwares I review are free. Why the hell would I try to get money from getting people to use a FREE program?

    You seriously need a brain check.

    On the other hand, why don't you tell the truth?

    Webbboy has been saying it all along, all you do is write negative reviews as if you were paid off or something. Come on come out with it...

    I am the victim here. I was going my merry way writing honest reviews until your dumba$$ comes along and posts some stupid propaganda in both the form of a reviews of software, and as a reply to my review.

    The propaganda you wrote has nothing to do with my reviews at all. If you actually took the time to read peoples replies to my reviews you would see they actually reply to the content of the review, where as you, you bombard every positive review for a program you hate with your stupid propaganda from a site more than half the people in this world don't even know about.

    People like you should be banned from DC review system since you provide nothing positive, either in the form of positive reviews to steer people towards good software or in the form of negative reviews to steer people away from bad softwares.

    Google Desktop - "security risk"...yeah, except millions of people use the software. You didnt even try it...1/5 based on the fact you think its a security risk.

    Flash Player for firefox - 1/5 because of "flash ads". I have never seen such a ludacrous review. How dumb are you? Flash player is somewhat of a necessity in the browsing world if you ask me. You miss out on so much content without flash player, whether it be flash movies, flash games, flash websites, etc.

    Your WinZIP review was wonderful. You barely discuss the program. This is not to say I think WipZIP is a great program. It has been left behind in the wind in favor of much more capable programs like WinRAR and 7Zip, as you said. But you could have at least TRIED the program and discussed what you liked about it and what you didnt like...as opposed to saying "its $30...forget it".

    The same goes for your Adobe Acrobat reader review. I also think Foxit is much better...but can you at least DISCUSS the software by trying it and saying what you like or don't like? You don't see DC editors reviewing a piece of software by saying "this isn't free and program ABC is better, so we are skipping the review and suggesting you get program ABC". No, they try the software, review it, discuss what they like and don't like, THEN they say whether they think its a good value in respect to the market for the program.

    Your Zone Alarm review is marvelous (*rolls eyes*). Again, could you at least TRY the software and discuss what you think about it?

    Oh, but the absolute best are your reviews for AdAware and SpyBot. Apparently these softwares have no negatives to them at all...yeah I forgot people can make flawless softwares.

    How about...outdated interfaces? How about manual updates? How about detection rate is not as good as Microsoft AntiSpyware or SpySweeper (its been tested...do the research before you reply)?

    80-90% of your reviews are of spyware programs no one has heard of, and your review is "I saw it on SW and I think you should stear clear". You didn't even BOTHER to test it.

    Granted, if the program says on SW it comes with adware and spyware included its not smart to test it, but the majority of the ones you reviewed with the SW information have no spyware or adware and you didn't even bother to try them, let alone view screenshots of them I bet.

    People are more likely to take my reviews seriously because I at least give people the sense that I have actually TRIED the software in my reviews (let alone the fact that I actually have TESTED EVERY SOFTWARE I HAVE REVIEWED)...where as you...its all about speculation and your bias towards certain programs.

    "Program A stinks because I love Program B. I use Program B so I think you should too".

    You are a disgrace to the software community and don't even deserve to push the "reply" button.

    The day that I join Crawler will be the day that you actually test a piece of software before you review it.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 16, 2006

    What do I want from you? How about this? Stop with the lying b-u-l-l s-h-i-t. Stop with the multiple IDs and substituting insults in place of an argument. Stop trying to manipulate us and insulting our intelligence with your transparent scat. And for the love of pete do not even try to play the victim. The way you tried to portray yourself above, as a harried victim who of "principle" simply must stick to his guns, is nothing less than laughable. Oh, by the way. Calling me "dude" and "sir" just makes look even sillier, and honestly I don't mind at all.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 16, 2006

    Thats 290 legitimate reviews bud...minus the 10 or so reviews which point to softwares from Crawler that have been removed.

    I don't know exactly what you want from me.

    Is there something you want me admit? I've told you everything pertinent to this conversation.

    Is there something you want me to do? I'm not going to say this is a bad product, because it certainly isn't. I'm not going to tell people not to use it, either. Its clean and it does a good job.

    Do you want me to stop reviewing on Download.com?

    By posting reviews I have gotten a few e-mails from people asking for my input on certain things (one e-mail asked of my opinions on what a registry program should have base don my review of CCleaner and Registry Mechanic). I haven't gotten time to reply to them yet, but I will.

    I dont know what you are trying to accomplish anymore.

    Crawler_team has posted on the SW forums...they have explained their side. I have no affiliation with crawler, I just prefer to defend an excellent product from people who think its bad (its like I'm trying to defend Kaspersky from all those idiots who say NOD32 is better than it).

    My guess is that if you saw how I defended other software you would think I was associated with those companies.

    I defend Kaspersky against NOD32 dopes.

    I defended MS AS against all those idiots who said AAW-SB was a better solution than MS when MSAS first came out.

    I defend LeechFTP to all those dopes who feel they NEED SmartFTP or FlashFXP or whatever.

    So basically by your logic I am associated with:

    Crawler

    Microsoft (Antispyware team)

    Kaspersky Labs

    Jan Debis (the guy who made LeechFTP)

    AOL (since I defend AOL Explorer all the time)

    Everyone has a right to defend whatever they want.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger is Republican, yet he supports stem cell research...but you don't see republicans accusing him of being a democratic supporter.

    If I sound like I'm part of the crawler team, thats too bad. I think the product is just that good to warrant the praise I give it. If I didn't think such, I wouldn't praise it the way I do.

    You accuse me of being someone who wants to increase my rep on download.com because i posted 200+ reviews in 2 days. I explained my situation to you on the SW forums.

    If you don't trust those reviews then trust my reviews on softpedia. I gave you the link at the forums.

    I have posted 380 reviews over a period of close to 1.5 years. Go talk to either Sorin or Nozavi at softpedia, they will tell you who I am...they know a lot more about me than you, especially since I talk software and softpedia related stuff on a daily basis with them.

    If there is one thing that can be said is that I have at least taken the time to write original reviews here on DC based off actual product testing. The same can not be said of your reviews...or at least most of them.

    I'm surprised that there are less people who have problems with your reviews.

    You accuse me of only giving positive reviews to junko spyware programs on the SW rogue list. I have reviewed 3 softwares from that list, Advanced Spyware Remover, Spyware Terminator, and Spyware Sledgehammer.

    ASR and ST are well deserving of 5/5.

    Sledgehammer i gave 3/5 stars because it was clean and free. I can attest to the SW listing in that the scanning engine is junk, as are the definitions as I have actually TESTED that product.

    Unless I'm missing something I haven't tested any other names than that on that list. All the other spyware programs I have reviewed are reputable softwares, like MS, AAW, SB, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, etc.

    You on the other hand, you just look on DC to see which softwares from the SW are on this site, copy the information from SW, whether outdated or not, and make that your review. So I don't exactly see what leverage you have, or what right you have to accuse me of "rating items on the SW list positively".

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 16, 2006

    Baffled and at a loss for words? well you are almost, except for your usual insults ChewyFood.

    Could Download(.)com have stepped in? Well I think it likely they deleted your review for some reason. As for the rest ...

    ... we shall see.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 16, 2006

    im as baffled as you are as to why the average user review is 0...and why my review is gone.

    my old version of version 1.1 is still there.

    That is the story i would like to believe...about the toolbar plugins. From my testing they were all safe. But as the tootsie pop kid says...the world may never know.

    Here is my e-mail webgrrrl:

    IDontWork@Crawler.com

    Get it through your thick skull...I have no affiliation with the software or the developers.

    I told you where I am and what I do (its in an earlier post assuming you actually read them). Look it up. Google is your friend.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 16, 2006

    I noticed also that the 5 STARS were removed from the Download.com review for Spyware Terminator today. The 5 STARS on other DC pages for your app still remain, and yet they are now grayed out.

    Did CRAWLER also contact DC and ask them to do that?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 16, 2006

    Are you sure you want to go with that story?

    What happened to your review of Spyware Terminator? I notice it also disappeared today. Did you decide to delete it for some reason? or is that just part of the recall?

    most curious

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 16, 2006

    well I do have to admit that all those softwares were quite redundant.

    They were all just straightforward downloads for the crawler toolbar, with each different downloading coming included with the specified plugin.

    however, after installing the toolbar you have the freedom to download all the other plugins at your leisure. so in that respect, its kind of stupid listing all of them as separate downloads.

    Hell, if you goto the Crawler website to download the toolbar, the only download you will find is the plain old Crawler toolbar, not the individual plugin-loaded toolbar versions.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 16, 2006

    Thirteen Crawler apps were removed from Download.com today. All or most of these apps functioned as plug-ins for their Toolbar, and 11 of them appeared there on the same day.

    Among the apps removed were the Crawler Email Notifier, Crawler RSS Reader, Crawler Games, Crawler Slideshow Screensaver, Crawler 3D Fireplace Screensaver, Crawler 3D Tropical Aquarium Screensaver, Crawler 3D Marine Aquarium Screensaver, Crawler 3D Earth Screensaver, Crawler Desktop Wallpapers, Crawler Weather, Crawler Browser Skins, Crawler Cursors, and Crawler's other anti-spyware app Crawler Web Security Guard.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 15, 2006

    Thats hilarious.

    I can't believe webgrrrl finally got to you.

    Oh well...thats too bad you think that Roger. Its too bad you have been sucked in by the darkside.

    I don't work for crawler. I am a full time student in Philly, and I don't know how to code for $h!t.

    Believe me, I would be the LAST person an internet software company would want to hire. I have the hardware know-how. i have ZERO software know-how...well I mean I know software as far as what I need to download and softwares which will solve peoples issues or desires...but software creation? hah...even I have to laugh at that.

    I only praise this program so much because it deserves it.

    Its a bright spot in this computer world when a company like Crawler goes back to being a reputable company...when you have softwares like CCLEANER and MIDDLE_MAN, both of which are (or were) highly respected software titles, reverting to requiring accessory toolbars or spyware in their software.

    I could give you a whole list of softwares which have gone the route of including accessory CR@P...there are a lot here on download.com. Search the term "Ares"...you will find 10-15 of them.

    Crawler has become clean and if you can't see it, then thats fine by me. You deserve to be a diluded idiot like the rest of them, thinking Ad-Aware and SpyBot will get you by in this world of spyware and adware.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 15, 2006

    I just want to apologize for all my pervious posts, and I am sorry if have upset you in anyway.

    I realise now that I am indeed a complete idiot for using an anti-spyware application published by a vendor with links to a known distributor of spyware/adware.

    It is also clear to me know that CableGuyTK is an employee of Crawler due to his constant praise for Spyware Terminator.

    I also realise now that although Cralwer Toolbar is not identified as spyware by Ad-Aware SE, SpyBot Search & Destroy, SpySweeper, CounterSpy or Microsoft AntiSpyware, you are much more knowledgeable about spyware than the companies that publish these programs, and you have better knowledge of wheather or not a program is spyware than the publishers of mahor antispyware applications.

    Have a nice day

  • Reply by roger_m on February 15, 2006

    Quote:

    Your posts give the strong impression that you are mentally unbalanced obsessive and potentially dangerous.

    I don't know why you would think that. Unlike you, I am just simply posting facts here - I don't have to resort to lies and mis-information to get my point accross.

    Quote:

    Don't waste your time. I wont be reading your posts.

    That's fine there's no point in having an agrument with someone who appears to be incapable if having a rational conversation.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 15, 2006

    That is where you are wrong.

    There are people like Roger and Me (hehehe...the name of a Michael Moore movie) who form their posts/replies off of concrete information from doing actual data acquisition and analysis through testing.

    Then there are people like you who read one little quote that is 3 months old, that, at the time, was based off of no tests and just speculation (yes, I read that Eric actually tested the software in that forum post, but again, that posting for Spyware Terminator on the rogue list is still speculation. The only reason it is still listed is because of the probation period which is ending soon).

    You are a lot like those idiots who post on forums saying NOD32 is the best antivirus program. They don't read any data, or do any testing like the people at PCWorld and virus.gr do, which show Kaspersky is in fact better. They just read one thing that says NOD32 scans faster or something, and boom, NOD32 is the best antivirus in the world.

    You cant just base your information off of speculation. You need to do actual testing, which you STILL haven't done...at least based off the information in your last forum post.

    Quote:

    "I have accomplished for the most part what I set out to do regarding this app. I wanted people like the experts at Spyware Warrior to begin taking a close look at what it actually does, and I wanted downloaders to exercise caution and not just blindly trust the claims of the publisher."

    If that was what you wanted to accomplish, then you could have simply made your postings on the forum instead of here on download.com...a place in which spywarewarrior people probably never visit. Hell, had crawer_team never replied in that forum post I MADE, the program wouldn't be at the stage its at on the forum.

    There are 5 posts here that say the program is good...and they are not ALL 5/5 stars, which would otherwise indicate it was the developer spamming the reviews.

    If you want to see developer spam reviews, check out WinMX Music 4.0 here on download.com. All the positive reviews come from users with just a single review on download.com. You will see the case of "fake" reviews being given priority because the developers signed up to download.com like 50 times to push up their own FAKE reviews to the top and push the real ones from people who have actually tested the software and found cr@p like new.net, webhancer, etc. included in the software to the bottom of the pile.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 15, 2006

    I am not the person who uses the name webgrl on her blog.

    Your attempt to find out who I am in real life is really creepy stalker behavior, and it would not surprise me at all if the police try to figure out who you are one of these days soon. Your posts give the strong impression that you are mentally unbalanced obsessive and potentially dangerous.

    Don't waste your time. I wont be reading your posts.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 14, 2006

    Quote:

    Why don't you go troll usenet or something?

    What is your problem are you incapable of forming your own opinions? I asked one simple question: Why do you consider Crawler Toolbar to be spyware when major anti-spyware applications do not identify it as spyware?

    A simple question, but I guess you are too ignorant to be able to answer even a simple question. That would mean you would have to think as opposed to copying and pasting from Spyware Warrior's rogue/suspect anti-spyware page.

    As I have stated before I will keep posting here every single day until you answer my question.

    If you think I work for Crawler because of your comments, that's fine by me, while I certainly don't work for Crawler the comments from an ignorant ..... mean absolutley nothing to me so I really don't care what you say.

    While you will try to defend yourself here it all means nothing. You have stated that Ad-Aware SE and SpyBot Search & Destroy identify Crawler Toolbar as spyware. This is an outright lie. Anyone who wants can download the Crawler Toolbar and test it with both these programs, and the truth will be evident.

    Maybe you should stick to devloping web pages Julie and stop posting your uninformed opinions here.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 14, 2006

    Why don't you go troll usenet or something?

  • Reply by roger_m on February 14, 2006

    You have still not answered my question.

    If you want to draw attention to a poduct why do you have to resort to lies and misleading information.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 14, 2006

    It is nice to see that you have dialed back on the name calling a bit finally Cableguy. Thank you for that.

    I have accomplished for the most part what I set out to do regarding this app. I wanted people like the experts at Spyware Warrior to begin taking a close look at what it actually does, and I wanted downloaders to exercise caution and not just blindly trust the claims of the publisher.

    Given the business associations and practices of CRAWLER, i.e. their ties to IBIS Websearch, such is more than merely justified it is prudent. It is quite alarming when a vendor with such a past suddenly begins publishing so many applications, especially when they involve data harvesting, whether voluntary or not.

    Further skepticism is in my opinion justified, because Spyware Terminator and CRAWLER Toolbar both ignore important user preferences. I hope that CRAWLER's other new anti-spyware app, Security Guard, will also be tested carefully by Spyware Warrior.

    Just very recently CRAWLER also began offering many tempting new apps on DC, several of them in just the last few days, their Email Notifier, RSS Reader, Weather (watcher), Wallpaper, Browser Skins, Cursors, Games, and 5 new Screensavers, all come bundled with The CRAWLER Toolbar, and they function only as plug-ins for it.

    Free accessory apps like these have commonly been used by adware/spyware vendors for data-mining and such, and so of course this also raises a red flag.

    Taking all of these things into account and given the fact that CRAWLER has a history of offering tempting freeware which does just that, on behalf of the well known adware/spyware distributor IBIS Websearch, of course it remains that caution is strongly advised.

    In my book even if all of the above apps are found to be adware and spyware free at download and installation, there is still a legitimate concern that these apps may download adware/spyware later, and or the parameters of data voluntarily submitted are later altered during an update.

    I would be very happy to learn that CRAWLER has made a complete turnaround, but I am not willing to just blindly accept their claim that they have.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 13, 2006

    So...this makes you the user "CHANNI" on the forums.

    I don't exactly know what point you are trying to make, but I think you missed the following part of the post:

    "As far as I know there is no one posting as Chewyfood from Crawler, I wanted to make sure that was clear. It is against our poliy to post comments as users."

    You might want to go ask the forum admins what the IP addresses the have logged for me, Chewyfood, and people from Crawler, crawler_team. Invision Power Board logs those sorts of things.

    Eric or any one of the admins that my IP will show Comcast, while Crawler's will show...*shrug* whatever ISP they have...probably the IP associated with their website for all I know.

    I don't exactly know what more proof I can give because you are being so stubborn.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 13, 2006

    Hey guy.

    You really should go back and take another look at the Spyware Warrior Forum thread titled Spyware Terminator.

    crawler_team wrote there, "I wanted to thank Chewyfood for his defense --> for <-- our company."

    Are you crawler_team also? I mean the writing style really is the same. The typical inattention to detail and lack of forethought is right there.

    hmm hmm hmmm hmmmm hmm hmmmmmm

    see ya :) [wave]

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 13, 2006

    Why not take it to Usenet guy?

    I am sure they could use a good trolling.

  • Reply by web_boooy on February 13, 2006

    My sole purpose is to review your reviews webgrrrl. I think it’s disgusting that you get paid to write reviews and don’t come out clean.

    I think its pretty safe to say that why would some one that is not getting paid go out of there way to smear Crawler and every other company that you review. You go out of your way to review the programs and post the same review in ever review of every program. Again she does this to many programs not just this. That’s why I have been reviewing here reviews and have started reviewing other rogue reviewers.

    I think we need to have a rogue reviewer list? :- )

    So you tell me Webgrrrl... why do you do that. I have reviewed your other reviews and I have been consistent that you get paid and you need to stop accepting payments. I dont write my own reviews but I do review others and I have done that for many wanna be reviewers such as your self.

    Its pathetic you call your self a reviewer when you don’t test or download the program.

    Again why would you go out of your way and post 100 plus comments for this product when you have no interest in this product? To say its because you want to warn people its not true. Those of you interested please review my reviews of webgrrrl on webgrrrls reviews.

    Calling my simon or who ever you call me is inaccurate sort of like your reviews where you make false and misleading statements.

    People do not listen to wegrrrl, go see how webgrrl will spam other reviewers review with her biased comments as well. Does that really look like someone that is not getting paid???

    By the way off the record who is paying you?? :- ) We won’t tell anyone :- )

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 13, 2006

    And no I am NOT webboy; I don't know who this person is.

    He has gone through the trouble of replying to every one of your reviews. I don't have the time, desire or energy to do that.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 13, 2006

    I think you should head over to the SpywareWarrior forums and enjoy the post from the Crawler Team. It pretty much explains it all.

    And like I have said, I have no affiliation with the company. They don't know my usernames, or anyone posting under such names, and they prohibit crawler members from posting like I am doing.

    I think this conversation is over.

    1) go take up whatever problems you have with the Crawler Team, since they are now a member on the SpywareWarrior forums, your FAVVVVVVORITE website.

    2) in a few weeks when the probation period is over at SpywareWarrior, spyware terminator will be properly tested and WILL be removed from the list of rogue/suspect products.

    GOOD DAY SIR!

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 13, 2006

    * Cableguy wrote, "Hello I am webgrrrl. Hmm I see that ABC Spyware is listed on Spyware Warrior and is listed as a rogue product. But look its also on Download.com. Let me go alert the people that SpywareWarrior lists this program. Click Click Click...copy spywarewarrior(.)com...paste on download(.)com. "This program is junk because my FAVVVVVVORITE site spywarewarrior(.)com lists this program as being rogue! You should all avoid this because its ROGUE...ITS ROGUE. DONNNNNNT!"

    You're loosing it man. Get a grip now.

    * Cableguy wrote, "You dope...that is all your review are. A Copy-Paste from spywarewarrrior."

    Why thank you! : )

    DOPE, Dedicated Opposition to Privacy Erosion.

    * Cableguy wrote, "Don't give me any of that ***** that you actually test the programs you review here on download.com. That is the LAST thing you do with any of the software on download.com."

    Funny thing. That's what that whack-job TROLL (who has not even written one review) web_boooy always said. Another thing you two have in common is that he is also FOS.

    Is web_boooy really you Cableguy? Is the other non reviewer TROLL who has stalked me, simon_chronic, really you also? You "three" all say the same things, in the same odd way, and you "all" just hate me to pieces.

    [snif] [boo hoo hoo]

    Will simon_chronic now reappear also? I bet he is absolutely W~i~L~d about CRAWLER too. Just a feeling.

    Will web_boooy write a few reviews now?

    Your pal,

    DOPE

    Dedicated Opposition to Privacy Erosion

  • Reply by roger_m on February 13, 2006

    Why do you sill refuse to answer my question?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 13, 2006

    He seems to be melting down.

    Question:

    Why would an unbiased private individual, who claims to have no ties to CRAWLER, get so personally "involved" in defending them? I mean why all the hate and attempts to smear me? Is this really just some guy who likes this app?

    Cableguy wrote, "I have no connection with CRAWLER. You should e-mail them and ask them if they know me."

    HUH ?

    I have always thought that shady software vendors and spyware mongers, like grifters and con artists generally, just assume everyone is a complete rube. They seem to share a real blind spot there in common.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 13, 2006

    In response to CableguyTK you said:

    The CRAWLER Toolbar you rave about, was developed by the IBIS WEB SEARCH Adware vendor, and is listed as ADWARE by both Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE and Spybot Search & Destroy.

    As I have stated here many times, the Cralwer Toolbar is not detected by Ad-Aware SE, Sybot Search & Destroy or SpySweeper. I have the latest verison of the toolbar instllaed on my computer as it is not detected by any of the listed software.

    From the results of a Google search the only program I could find which claims to detect Crawler Toolbar is the anti-virus F-Secure.

    I did an online scan with F-Prot and Cralwer was not detected, meaning that either it is only detect with F-Secure and not F-Prot, or detection has been removed.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 13, 2006

    Hmm...let me go click your name.

    Oh well what do we have here...

    90% of the reviews you have done are of antispyware programs that are listed on SpywareWarrior's list of rogue programs.

    You claim that you actually tested them as well. My @$$. The day you test them will be the day...it will be the day.

    You just copy and paste what is listed on the SpywareWarrior page, whether outdated or not, inaccurate or not, without actually doing any research or testing of your own, and that is what you make your review.

    Hello I am webgrrrl. Hmm I see that ABC Spyware is listed on Spyware Warrior and is listed as a rogue product. But look its also on Download.com. Let me go alert the people that SpywareWarrior lists this program. Click Click Click...copy spywarewarrior(.)com...paste on download(.)com. "This program is junk because my FAVVVVVVORITE site spywarewarrior(.)com lists this program as being rogue! You should all avoid this because its ROGUE...ITS ROGUE. DONNNNNNT!"

    You dope...that is all your review are. A Copy-Paste from spywarewarrrior.

    Don't give me any of that crap that you actually test the programs you review here on download.com. That is the LAST thing you do with any of the software on download.com.

    You are abusing the USER REVIEW section by injecting your biased reviews based on information from a website that may not be as a trustful as everyone makes them out to be.

    When you actually take the time to review software, then give me a call.

    Everyone knows you haven't tested Spyware Terminator. When you actually take the time to test it and scan your computer with Ad-Aware, SpyBot, MS, SpySweeper, Spyware Doctor, etc. you will find that there are no problems.

    Oh any by the way, why don't you answer Roger's question? Is it that hard?

    And no, I have no connection with CRAWLER. You were pissing me off so much with your asinine comments that I felt compelled to post on the SpywareWarrior forums, which is why I felt so animate, which is why Eric thought I was more concerned about the company than the product.

    I have no connection with CRAWLER. You should e-mail them and ask them if they know me.

    Here is there e-mail: contact@crawler(.)com

    Let me know what they say.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 13, 2006

    I am still waiting for a reply to my question.

    Anway I do agree with you that the trusted programs listed at Spyware Warrior are the best ones to use. However having said that, Spyware Terminator seems like a worthwhile to program to used along side other better known programs.

    And unlike you who seems to have the opinion that Crawler can never be trusted because of their past dealings, ath Spyware Warrior they have a much more sensible approach of de-lisitng Spyware Terminator after three months, if they they feel the that Crawler has indeed changed its ways.

    My personal opinion is that Spyware Terminator will soon be de-listed at Spyware Warrior, but time will tell.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 13, 2006

    Cabelguy wrote, ".. since you are too stubborn, lazy and stupid to spend an ounce of energy getting that data or doing that research. That sounds a lot like George Bush to me."

    [end quote]

    Your personal attacks and unfounded accusations paint a vivid and unflattering portrait of your personal character.

    Eric L. Howe's said to you on the Spyware Warrior forum, to you as ChewyFood, ... "You seem more interested in the program and the vendor than in actual users -- much, much too interested to be a disinterested observer."

    I agree with him completely on that.

    You were also told there, Spyware Warrior will de-list CRAWLER Spyware Terminator, as soon as it meets the criteria for de-listing.

    Please note this quote from the Spyware Warrior list though.

    ("That an application has been de-listed should not be understood as an endorsement or recommendation of any kind. We still recommend that users consult the short list of "trustworthy" anti-spyware applications.")

    [end quote]

    I know that I will stick very closely to that short list of trustworthy apps. There are many good and trustworthy apps, and so I see no reason to risk downloading apps with well earned bad reputations.

    Cableguy you are so obviously connected to CRAWLER. Your passionate and extreme bias regarding CRAWLER apps makes this very clear.

    You have made several misleading and inaccurate statements about CRAWLER, even claiming that they are not tied to IBIS anymore, and you have said that the CRAWLER Toolbar is not detected by legitimate antispyware apps.

    The CRAWLER Toolbar you rave about, was developed by the IBIS WEB SEARCH Adware vendor, and is listed as ADWARE by both Lavasoft Ad-Aware SE and Spybot Search & Destroy.

    Your many vicious personal attacks upon me personally, in an attempt to silence me, make it clear that you are tied to CRAWLER, and such tactics make it very clear that CRAWLER does not care about end users/consumers at all.

    Like I said. I am going stick very close to that short list of trustworthy anti-spyware apps.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 13, 2006

    Webgrrl I agree with your comments about web_boooy

    Maybe one day you will answer my question?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 13, 2006

    web_boooy wrote,

    ("The problem with you Webgrrrl is you think every software is spyware. Why don't you read the privacy policy of Google, Yahoo, and all the other major software vendors.

    You take privacy policies out of context for the smaller guys, you suggest that ever small software is spyware and in essence you hurt the small developers business.

    I would have some respect if you actually reviewed software (even though you get paid) and stopped pushing out propaganda on the same software over and over again. You getting paid to write false reviews is unethical and wrong.")

    [end quote]

    I just clicked on your name web_boooy, and you have ZERO reviews here, NONE, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA.

    Click on my username, and you will see that I have downloaded tested and reviewed many applications here. Many of my reviews are positive, and many of my positive reviews are for applications vended by "the smaller guys".

    My reviews prove that I do not think "every software is spyware"(sic) or "ever small software is spyware"(sic) as you falsely claimed.

    Your complete lack of reviews and many nasty comments prove that you are only here as a troll making personal attacks.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 12, 2006

    You have all the material prepared for you for answering generic questions (i.e. copy-pasting an outdated SpywareWarrior listing material) which require no data or research.

    However, you dodge all the serious questions which require research and data to provide answers for since you are too stubborn, lazy and stupid to spend an ounce of energy getting that data or doing that research.

    That sounds a lot like George Bush to me.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 12, 2006

    Like roger said...

    Find me a software that you have downloaded from Softpedia that IS LABLED AS 100% CLEAN that has given you spyware, adware, or viruses. I implore you to find one since you say there are thing sthat Softpedia can't detect...or whatever dribble you are spitting from your mouth.

    But, again, you won't even find anything, because...oh thats right...you don't test anything you download.

    Let me go get you a quote from the people at SpywareWarrior as I have been talking to them on their forums. You will probably take this to heart more than anything we say:

    This comes straight from user eburger68, who is Eric L. Howes, the guy who runs that site, and tests every program.

    "I have been in contact with Crawler/IBIS, which maintains that the company has exited the adware business. Spyware Terminator (and its vendor) are currently on a three month probation period that will end in early March. When the probation period expires I will re-test Spyware Terminator and re-examine IBIS's track record. If at that time the program and the company's performance checks out clean, the program will be de-listed."

    Well I can tell you this...in 3 or so weeks when that probation period ends Spyware Terminator will be off that list.

    I think the fact that Eric has actually been in CONTACT with the vendors of Spyware Terminator speaks volumes about the product. Do you actually think scamware vendors would allow contact? Yeah, I didn't think so either.

    In 3 weeks time your entire argument will be null and void as Spyware Terminator will be off that list, because I can guarantee you that Crawler, IBIS and WebSearch will check out clean.

    Oh and by the way...like I have stated many times, i have no affiliation with the Crawler LLC company.

    If you don't believe me then you might as well search my username on Google...

    TV.com, Newegg.com, ResellerRatings.com, Softpedia.com, IM2.com...you will find it all in between all the 290 Download(.)com review pages.

    Searching your name on google yields webgrrrl(.)com. For all I know you have affiliation with competing companies for designing parts of their website and you are therefore writing a negative review towards Crawler software.

    Since I have the freedom to accuse you of your affiliations just like you have made your accusations that Roger and I are affiliated with Crawler...

    webgrrrl is affiliated with competing companies and her reviews are therefore purposely negative towards the Crawler company and should be disregarded at all costs.

  • Reply by web_boooy on February 12, 2006

    The problem with you Webgrrrl is you think every software is spyware. You take privacy policies out of context for the smaller guys, you suggest that ever small software is spyware and in essence you hurt the small developers business.

    I would have some respect if you actually reviewed software (even though you get paid) and stopped pushing out propaganda on the same software over and over again. You getting paid to write false reviews is unethical and wrong.

  • Reply by web_boooy on February 12, 2006

    Webgrrrl gets paid to write negative reviews by competitors, please disregard her reviews. Although some are true in most cases her reviews are biased and uninformed.

    webgrrrl in most cases has no technical experience, has not tested the software and simple spills out propaganda on her favorite software. As you will see she recommends the same software over and over again.

    There is no point in arguing with someone who gets paid to write. Its pathetic she puts the same types of reviews everywhere.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 12, 2006

    Quote:

    Regardless of their stated policy both download sites he mentions above, whether intentionally or "accidentally" are well known to carry many apps which contain spyware/adware and root-kits which hide spyware/adware very effectively.

    I disagree, I download software from download.com daily, and since they have instated their no spyware policy - I have never got anyspyware from software I have downloaded from download.com. In fact I never ever get any spyware on PC other than tracking cookies.

    Msybe you can give me some examples of software on download.com containing spware, adware or rootkits?

  • Reply by roger_m on February 12, 2006

    Quote:

    The behavior of CRAWLER's deceitful representatives here, who lie rather than admit they are masquerading as reviewers, relentlessly attempt to smear and silence their critics. This makes it very clear that CRAWLER products remain unworthy of our consideration.

    I do not work for Crawler OK? I have already stated that, and I presume WebCrawlerTK does not either.

    You sill refuse the to answer my question: why do you consider

    Crawler Toolbar to be spyware, when it is not detected by major anti-spyware software?

    Why do you choose not to answer my question?

    I will continue posting here daily until you answer me.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 12, 2006

    Only an idiot would that.

    --> Cableguy wrote, "Two reputable sources have tested this software and found it clean... Softpedia(.)com. They have given it a 100% clean award. Download(.)com. They have a no-adware-virus-spyware policy. If this program was in fact virus/spyware infected it would not be listed."

    Regardless of their stated policy both download sites he mentions above, whether intentionally or "accidentally" are well known to carry many apps which contain spyware/adware and root-kits which hide spyware/adware very effectively.

    Both of the corporate download sites referenced above by "Cableguy", share in common a convenient for them "redefinition" of spyware, by which they falsely claim their download sites are "spyware free".

    The business practices of Spyware pushers like CRAWLER, reflect a corporate trend toward an ever DECREASING respect for the privacy of their customers, as they deploy on a weekly basis increasingly sophisticated and insidious forms of spyware, which are increasingly more difficult to detect and remove.

    Those unwilling to trust shady developers with known ties to spyware vendors, like CRAWLER, are wise not closed minded, and so don't let them goad you with taunts like "You haven't even tried it". I haven't tried crack or heroin either, and I do not ever intend to.

    We do not owe them our trust. Trust has to be earned. Past offenders are not entitled to a second chance to reoffend. CRAWLER has done absolutely nothing which causes me to believe that they have reformed.

    The behavior of CRAWLER's deceitful representatives here, who lie rather than admit they are masquerading as reviewers, relentlessly attempt to smear and silence their critics. This makes it very clear that CRAWLER products remain unworthy of our consideration.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 12, 2006

    spyware pushers! haha!

    Boy are you way off.

    If you knew me in person you would know that spyware is the last thing I "push", if at all. I have spent way too many hours fixing computers owned by relatives and friends of relatives, removing spyware and adware using the likes of your favorite antispyware programs. And in some cases I have had to go so far as reinstalling windows.

    Believe me, if I found this program to be full of spyware there wouldn't be this many replies.

    The only reason there are so many replies is because you are so STUBBORN to not even TRY the software and are accusing a perfectly clean software of including spyware based on the SPECULATION of this program being associated with spyware. I say SPECULATION because your source, SpywareWarrior, has not tested this software either.

    Two reputable sources have tested this software and found it clean...

    Softpedia(.)com. They have given it a 100% clean award.

    Download(.)com. They have a no-adware-virus-spyware policy. If this program was in fact virus/spyware infected it would not be listed.

    Based on what you said...Do you treat google software as spyware?

    Do you treat google toolbar as spyware? Google Desktop search? Google Earth? GMail?

    It seems you would be the only one to treat Google software as such...because there are a few MILLION people who use all those google services on a daily basis.

    The majority of this "information" sent back is harmless, at best...meant to model and shape future versions of software to better serve you.

    If you are so concerned about your privacy you might as well unplug your modem and go on living a disconnected life...there is not one aspect of WINDOWS that isn't sending information back to developers.

    Microsoft Antispyware: How do you think it gets those ratings for the results?

    Google Search: How do you think Google determines which search result to show first?

    Windows Update: How do you think it determines what updates you need to install on your machine?

    Windows Media Player: How do you think it knows there is an update...How do you think it knows where to connect for codecs? How do you think it knows where to acquire licenses?

    If you are so concerned about every little part of windwos and extra softwares sending information to remote servers then you might as well download a linux distribution, like RedHat or something, format your machine, and install Linux. Because that is all you DESERVE to use. It will give you complete control on how the OS acts, so you can let it contact or not contact all you want.

    Hey I agree with you that this our security is being breached in more ways that one. But you can't go along being scared that your privacy is being breached. The second you connect to the internet your privacy is breached. If you don't do anything STUPID on the web, then there is nothing to worry about, anyway.

    Its simple, if you don't want privacy breached you don't connect to the internet.

    Let me ask you this: what software DO you use if you are so concerned about your privacy?

    FireFox? Even with FireFox there are definitely ways that your information is sent back to Mozilla or the sort.

    Opera? I use Opera full-time, and I don't doubt they send and receive data from users.

    But I mean, seriously, what can you do?

    Considering the popularity of Google and Yahoo!, its probably a safe statement to say that Crawler is safer than Google, from the standpoint of the interests of government officials.

    Google or Yahoo...vs...Crawler...

    Sites that XX milions of people use, and therefore storing data from XX millions of people...vs...a site that thousands use and therefore stores data from thousands of people...

    Pretty easy choice...which is why you hear Google in the news...not Crawler.

    But from the way you speak, you don't trust either, even though Google is a widely trusted name.

    Look, I'm getting tired of continuing this argument. Im not going to get you to use Crawler software anytime soon, so this is going nowhere, though these replies are more directed towards being a rebuttal while educating the viewing pulic as opposed to making the combatants change their ideas. And by this point, 3rd party viewers should have a good idea of what they want to believe.

    You have spammed all of my legitimate reviews with your spywarewarrior listing...while I only reply to your replies as opposed to spamming your reviews. So I think this deserves to come to an end.

    I would just recommend that in the future, before you write reviews, you at least TRY the software at hand, as opposed to just copy-pasting information from a webite that isn't necessary a gold-standard, and give the software a FAIR review, like myself and roger_m take the time to do.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 12, 2006

    Quote:

    I hate when spyware pushers pretending to be software reviewers come here and try to justify their practices.

    I can assure you that I don't work for any spyware pusher.

    Personally I hate it when ignorant people continually post their uninformed opinions on this website.

    Quote:

    The self deception and deceitfulness they exude is truly sickening. The name CRAWLER fits them perfectly.

    Again you are suggesting that Crawler's products are spyware, and you still have failed to answer my simple question:

    Why do you consider Crawler Toolbar to be spyware when it is not identified as spyware by major anti-spyware applications.

    Webgrrrl are you going to keep posting the same garbage here as you have been doing, or are you going to answer my one simple question.

    By continously posting the same old garbage here you are making yourself look like an idiot, and are also giving Spyware Warrior a bad name. I do have a lot of respect for the work people at Spyware Warrior are doing, and I do look at their rogue/suspect anti-spyware page reguarly.

    Are you unable to form your own opnions? You have done nothing to show otherwise up this point - you continually post negative comments about software you have never even used, and refuse to answer my one simple question.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 12, 2006

    Did you know that Google has kept a permanent indelible record, of everything you ever posted on USENET, even if you asked them to delete it? In fact most old posts that you once had deleted, have all reappeared on the new Google USENET BETA, and they will all remain forever in their records. Google has a lot of nerve claiming they are champions of our privacy. The truth is they are far more like BIG BROTHER Bush than dissimilar.

    It sicken me that "national security" is being used as an excuse to repeal civil rights and completely undermine privacy. Our entire way of life is being irreversibly destroyed as we speak.

    The liberty and freedom, taken for granted by so many for so long, is being replaced with false security withing a climate of fear. Be dark design of the elite we live within a world wide malaise of orchestrated terror, which solely serves globalist/corporatist interests, being wrongly blamed on scapegoats. It is not the Muslims who are practicing jihad against us. But rather it is corporatism cloaked with hypocritical pseudochristian zionism, which wages unholy war on all people equally, psychologically by fear uncertainty and doubt here at home, and terror of deadly and cruel military aggression abroad.

    How dare you anti-privacy spyware mongers accuse me of being a Bushie! It is you and those like you, who hold so much in common with them, and most certainly not I.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 12, 2006

    Google made that clear when they agreed to support the repressive PRC government policy of censorship, rather than stand on principle by refusing to, because they would have lost money if they did.

    Google and the other slimy exploiters you mentioned should find an honest way of making money, which does not include lying to the public and invading our privacy.

    I hate when spyware pushers pretending to be software reviewers come here and try to justify their practices.

    The self deception and deceitfulness they exude is truly sickening. The name CRAWLER fits them perfectly.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    I hate when spyware pushers pretending to be software reviewers come here and try to justify their practices.

    The self deception and deceitfulness they exude is truly sickening. The name CRAWLER fits them perfectly.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 11, 2006

    Its ok roger.

    She is just another Bushie who likes to spread propaganda and dodge every question she is presented.

    She will never answer you questions because the answer to them are the real truth.

    Why do none of the programs webgrrrl trust report this as spyware?

    Simple: because spyware terminator isn't spyware. Its free and clean. She won't admit it. Its ok, because Lavasoft and SpyBot would be free to answer to you if you asked them webgrrrl. They'll prepare the answer for you just like George Bush has answered prepared for him.

    Here, let me prepare the answer for you. You can just copy this in your next reply:

    "Spybot, AdAware, Microsoft Antispyware, SpySweeper and Spyware Doctor don't regard Spyware Terminator as spyware, and therefore don't detect it as such, let alone detect it at all."

    Oh and by the way webgrrrl...if you read any of my other posts anywhere here on download.com, i clearly point out that using the Page Rank feature is completely optional. If you don't use it, Crawler sends no data back. Very simple.

    Yes, they are collecting data, but you are forgetting that this is WITH USER CONSENT. The definition of spyware is that there is data collection WITHOUT USER CONSENT!

    And as far as the start pages go...if Crawler was a REAL spyware toolbar then it wouldn't give users to return the pages to their default windows values, which Crawler clearly lets you do in the options.

    This is not PAGE HIJACKING if the program lets you undo what it did.

    Oh, and by the way, its not like Spyware Terminator lets the crawler page changes go by unnoticed. Spyware Terminator reacts to any page change, whether it be to Google, MSN.com, Yahoo or even its own Crawler. So its not like it has built in to "ignore" its own page. This is a clear indication that the program is safe since it detects its own pages.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 11, 2006

    No webgirrrl I am certainly not playing games, but you have not answered my question.

    I asked you a very simple question: Why do you consider Crawler Toolbar to be spyware when major anti-spyware applications do not detect it as spyware?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    Yes I did Roger.

    Stop playing games.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 11, 2006

    You still have not answered my questions... Why is that?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    Listen up CRAWLER dudes.

    It is hight time that Google Alexa Yahoo and CRAWLER learned how to make money without INVADING OUR PRIVACY and lying to us in order to do so.

    Just give it up!

    It is over.

    You are over.

    It's a dying business.

    People know better now.

    Get a real job.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 11, 2006

    Why do you refuse to answer my questions?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    It is high time CRAWLER was buried once and for all.

    Thanks for all your help little bumpkins.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 11, 2006

    Webgirrl you still haven't answered my questions.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    Cableguy wrote, "HOW DO YOU THINK GOOGLE AND ALEXA GET TRAFFIC RANKS YOU IDIOT?"

    Alexa is an infamous bit of SPYWARE. But true it works the same way the CRAWLER Toolbar they always "include" does.

    I have spyware blockers like SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard to keep stuff like that from being installed, and Spyware Search & Destroy and Ewido Anti-Malware to remove BHOs of this sort.

    To actually download this stuff on purpose is pretty stupid though.

    Are you getting a clue about this yet Roger?

  • Reply by roger_m on February 11, 2006

    Why do you consider Crawler Toolbar to be spyware when it is not detected as spyware by anti-spyware applications? You still have not told me.

    And CableGuyTK is wrong, it is optional to change your IE start page to Crawlers when installing the toolbar. Also the site ranking can be turned off.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 11, 2006

    Oh thats right, I forgot Crawler toolbar is the only toolbar that does this...

    *rolls eyes*

    Maybe you should try installing Google Toolbar, Yahoo Toolbar, MSN Toolbars.

    They have the exact same features you dope.

    They all set your IE pages to the pages associated with the toolbar.

    And they all, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, send back data based on the sites you send back.

    HOW DO YOU THINK GOOGLE AND ALEXA GET TRAFFIC RANKS YOU IDIOT?

    Do you think google just visits EVERY SITE IN THE WORLD and gives it a RATING? They would be insane to do that.

    Their ratings are based off traffic data USERS OPT TO SEND BACK TO THE SERVERS.

    CRAWLER IS NO DIFFERENT YOU IDIOT. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO SEND BACK THAT INFORMATION OR NOT.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    Spyware Warrior warns about this app, and other anti spyware reviewers and security sites, warn about the CRAWLER Toolbar also.

    Here is what your pal "Cableguy" says, in his own review of the CRAWLER Toolbar, which comes with all of Crawler's junk.

    --> Cableguy wrote, "You probably won't like the fact that on install it will automatically set all your IE default pages to Crawler pages."

    Darn right we wont.

    That is called browser hijacking, and good antispyware apps include protection against that.

    If Spyware Terminator was a real antispyware app, it would have to detect and remove, THEIR OWN DAMN TOOLBAR!

    Nobody likes this next thing either, unless they crazy, or totally ignorant.

    --> Cableguy wrote, "The traffic ratings from these sites are based off the anonymous data that USERS OF THE TOOLBAR send back; .."

    That is called data-mining/browser-tracking, and good antispyware apps offer protection against that also.

    --> Cableguy wrote, "She just likes to spam the fact that Crawler once was a spyware related company, but this is about 5 year old news that is now obsolete since they have cleaned up their act. "

    Obviously CRAWLER has NOT cleaned up their act, since even their apologist/promoter "Cableguy" admits, this SPYWARE app both hijacks your start page and default search settings, as it tracks your web surfing habits.

    Who do you guys think you are fooling?!

  • Reply by roger_m on February 11, 2006

    webgrrrl you have not responded to any of the points in my last past.

    Anyway as I stated Crawler Toolbar is NOT spyware. If it was spyware then major anti-spyware applications would detect it as spyware - but they don't. Therefore Crawler Toolbar is NOT spyware.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 11, 2006

    Here are some astonishing excerpts from Cableguy's own review of the Crawler Toolbar.

    Cableguy wrote, "You probably won't like the fact that on install it will automatically set all your IE default pages to Crawler pages."

    No we probably wont.

    That is called browser hijacking, and good antispyware apps include protection against that.

    Nobody will like this either.

    Cableguy wrote, "The traffic ratings from these sites are based off the anonymous data that USERS OF THE TOOLBAR send back; .."

    That is called data-mining/browser tracking, and good antispyware apps offer protection against that also.

    Cableguy wrote, "She just likes to spam the fact that Crawler once was a spyware related company, but this is about 5 year old news that is now obsolete since they have cleaned up their act. "

    Obviously CRAWLER has not cleaned up their act, since even their apologist/promoter "Cableguy" admits this SPYWARE app both hijacks your start page and default search settings, as it tracks your web surfing habits.

    Pass the word about CRAWLER apps please. Give them the reviews they deserve so some poor newbie doesn't get their PC infected by them. Fighting spyware is a group effort.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 10, 2006

    Here webgrrrl gets your facts straight:

    websearch . c0m / news.aspx?id=1378

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 10, 2006

    Maybe you should check the history of other softwares added to download.com.

    I can guarantee that there are tons of other developers who get their programs added in a matter of one or two days. Its just how download.com works. People upload their programs to upload.com and they are listed on download.com in the order they were received. So if Crawler sent them successively, then there should be no surprise of the addition times you DOPE.

    Boy I have never seen someone so stupid when it comes to downloading and reviewing software.

    Did you ever stop to think that maybe Crawler is trying to spread the love and sharing their software with the world? Or do you STILL have your panties in a bunch over news that is completely obsolete? GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL...Crawler is CLEEEEEEEEEEEEAN.

    And apparently your friend, dgarrett20, he is an idiot too. If he actually spent the time to READ the description of the 3D Earth screensaver he would have SEEN that it included the toolbar. If he doesnt want it then he shouldn't download it. Very simple.

    All the software Crawler lists, outside of Spyware Terminator, are all PLUGINS FOR THE TOOLBAR, which REQUIRE THE TOOLBAR, which is WHY THEY INCLUDE THE TOOLBAR IN THE DOWNLOAD. THEY WONT WORK OTHERWISE YOU FRIGGIN IDIOT!

    Get a clue, do some research, read the program descriptions, TRY THE SOFTWARE, then come back here.

    webgrrrl, stop replying with that cr@p about Crawler being bad. You have zero proof of this.

    I want you to just download this software and try it...just try it. If you don't like it fine. But stop being so stubborn and at least try the software.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 10, 2006

    Quote:

    CRAWLER has been very busy spamming download(dot)com with new "free" apps, which are bundled with toolbars etc, that you can not opt of.

    I personally wouldn't call submitting programs to download.com as spamming.

    Quote:

    The positive reviews are not "just pouring in", in fact many downloaders have reviewed their other apps and complained because they are full of spyware.

    Well these programs have only been just been added to download.com so can't really expect there to be many reviews yet.

    In fact I just had a look at the reviews for a number of the programs, and the only reviews are from YOU.

    Quote:

    We all know that free screensavers and games are often used by spyware pushers to infect your computer, and CRAWLER is one of the worst offenders.

    While the first past of that statement is true, I have Crawler

    Toolbar installed on my computer and it is not detected as spyware by either Ad-Aware, Spybot Search & Destroy, or Spysweeper - three of the most highly respected anti-spyware programs. It is also not detected by Bazooka, or Advanced Spyware Remover.

    If anti-spyware vendors don't regard the Crawler Toolbar as spyware, why do you webgrrrl? This is somewhat of a mystery to me.

    If you really want - guess what - you can remove the Crawler Toolbar via Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel.

    P.S. I just installed Spyware Terminator on another computer, and again it has not given any false posatives.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 10, 2006

    CRAWLER has been very busy spamming download(dot)com with new "free" apps, which are bundled with toolbars etc, that you can not opt of.

    The positive reviews are not "just pouring in", in fact many downloaders have reviewed their other apps and complained because they are full of spyware.

    Don't believe me?

    Go to advanced search, put CRAWLER into the Author/Publisher: box, then click search and see for yourself.

    Here is one reviewers comments on one of their new apps called Crawler 3D Fireplace Screensaver.

    [begin copied review]

    Terrible

    08-Feb-2006 01:01:12 AM

    Reviewer: dgarrett20

    Cons: This screensaver is ugly and displays a search bar and buttons on the screen. During installation if you choose not to install any toolbars, it does it anyway.

    Do not download this!

    [end copied review]

    We all know that free screensavers and games are often used by spyware pushers to infect your computer, and CRAWLER is one of the worst offenders.

    Check it out for yourself, and please spread the word.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 10, 2006

    Is a broken record going off or is it just me?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 10, 2006

    The vendor of this application, CRAWLER(dot)com, aka spywareterminator(dot)com, aka spyterm(dot)com, is connected with a well known spyware/adware distributor known as IBIS/Websearch.

    This is a fact not just a belief.

    Why would anyone trust an antispyware application distributed by a known spyware pusher?

    CRAWLER can claim they have cleaned up their act all they like. Their record proves they are not to be trusted however.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 9, 2006

    Me? Associated with Crawler?

    HAHA...

    I don't even know how to program!

    "Hello world" is my limit.

    It seems like the positive reviews are pouring in, and its not just from roger and I.

    And soon enough, Spyware Terminator will be off that of "rogue/suspect" products...and that will be the end of it...or probably not.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 9, 2006

    I'm guessing that next you'll accuse me of working for Crawler too webgrrrl.

    Before you do I'd just like to point out:

    I do not work for Crawler or for any company with software listed on download.com

    I had never even heard of Crawler or Spyware Terminator until yesterday.

    Sorry to dissapoint you.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 9, 2006

    webgrrrl I take offense to your comments I am not naive, neither am I a fool. The analogies you have made really do not make sense.

    If Crawler is a well known pusher of spyware why is their Crawler Toolbar not detected as spyware by either SpyBot Search & Destroy, Ad-Aware or SpySweeper. Maybe they have been in the past, I really don't know - but it is evident that their products are now free of spyware/adware.

    I like Spyware Terminator and will continue to use it. I have already installed it on three computers and will install in on many more.

    Rather than basing your opinions on the Spyware Warrior rouge/suspect programs page, how about forming your own opinions, before criticising others here who have actually installed and tested the software?

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 9, 2006

    You really are very committed to CRAWLER apparently. It would even be fair to say that you seem loyal. I mean really incredibly so for someone who is not a member of the CRAWLER team.

    Why on earth did you guys name your outfit CRAWLER? I mean really. The name CRAWLER is just plain creepy.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 9, 2006

    Webgrrrl get through your single-celled bird-brain that this has no spyware, adware or malware bundled in the installer.

    Crawler has cleaned up its act, and I can find you a good million people who would be willing to test and use this application full time.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 9, 2006

    Installing an antispyware app made by a well known pusher of spyware is an incredibly stupid move.

    It is like hiring someone you KNOW to be a registered s-e-x offender, who has been in prison for child molestation, to babysit your kids because they say they are reformed.

    Please don't help this known spyware pusher to develop new and more insidious forms of spyware by downloading their applications.

    Only a naive fool would trust them. Use some common sense people.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 9, 2006

    webgrrrl I take offense to your comments I am not naive, neither am I a fool.

    I am currently using Spyware Terminaor and I am happy with it. I also have the Crawler Toolbar installed on PC. I have done scans with both Spybot Search & Destory and Ad-Aware, and neither program detetced the Crawler Toolbar as being adware or spyware.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 9, 2006

    Installing an antispyware app made by a well known pusher of spyware is an incredibly stupid move.

    It is like hiring someone you KNOW to be a registered sex offender, who has been in prison for child molestation, to babysit your kids because they say they are reformed.

    Please don't help this known spyware pusher, to develop new and more insidious forms of spyware, by downloading their application. That is all "spyware sledgehammer" is really for.

    Only a naive fool would trust them. Use some common sense people.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 9, 2006

    yeah, i know you were saying its clean.

    I was just backing you up saying that even if it wasn't clean, Spyware Terminator isn't even associated with the toolbar. They are two separate programs entirely...programs which don't suggest you install the other.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 8, 2006

    Before posting a negative review how about actually installing and running the program first, rather then simply posting negative comments because the program is listed on the Spyware Warrior rouge/suspect anti-spyware page.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 8, 2006

    CableguyTK my point was that the Crawler Toolbar does not contain adware or spyware.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 8, 2006

    Even if that is the case roger_m...This program has ZERO, NADA, NO association with the toolbar.

    They are two separate programs. If you don't want an "IBIS built" toolbar, then you don't download it, whether its regarded as safe or not today. Very simple

    However Spyware Terminator was NOT built by IBIS, and doesn't install secondary software (like the Crawler Toolbar) like some other programs do or ask of your permission to do.

    But, obviously, webgrrrl would have no clue about such information because she does ZERO research and tests ZERO programs.

    If you look at her review database, I'd say 80% to 90% of her reviews are 1/5 ratings of antispyware products she sees on the SpywareWarrior(.com) Rogue/Suspected antispyware list.

    Hey, while I admire her desire to spread the word about ****-poor antispyware programs, not all of the ones on the list are bad...and they haven't been presonally tested by either WEBGRRRL herself, OR the people who do the spywarewarrior page...

    I think WEBGRRRL missed this part of the rogue/suspect list page:

    Apps not tested include: 2004 Adware/Spyware Remover & Blocker, about:blank 2005, AdProtector, Adware Hunter, AdwarePro, Adware & Spyware Firewall, Elimiware, Anti Virus Pro, InternetAntiSpy, KillAllSpyware, MicroAntivirus, Oxford Spyware Remover, NetSpyProtector, PAL Emergency Response, PCArmor, SpyBlast, SpyDeleter, SpyEliminator, SpyKillerPro, SpyWiper, SpywareAvenger, Spyware Cleaner & Pop-Up Blocker, Spyware Destroyer, Spyware Immobilizer, Spyware Terminator, System Detective, Spy Sniper Pro, Spyware B1aster, Spyware Remover, Spyware Striker Pro, Spyware Suite 2005, The Web Shield, Titan AntiSpyware, VirusGuard, WinAntiSpy 2005, WinCleaner AntiSpyware, XSRemover.

    And if anyone can see clearly, they would be able to very clearly an important ENTRY in that list...oh thats right, its "Spyware Terminator". They haven't even tested it, how about that *puts hands on hips*... :P

    My guess is that when that spywarewarrior website states a product looks like a knockoff scam, there is a good probability that the deduction is based off of screenshots alone, without actual TESTING of the software in question.

    That list is probably 50% accurate and I wouldnt trust it all that much...Especially since they still think Spyware Terminator deserves to be on that list, when it clearly does not deserve to be there.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 8, 2006

    It should be noted that Spyware Terminator is made by Crawler company, which distributes Crawler Toolbar, an Internet Explorer add-on that some security experts identify as trackware, as it (or at least some of its versions) was developed by IBIS company, makers of the infamous IBIS Toolbar. Nevertheless, Crawler Toolbar is not spyware, adware or a browser hijacker. Its recent versions are legitimate.

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 8, 2006

    I guess you can't read, can you?

    It says NO SPYWARE OR ADWARE you dolt. GET A CLUE!

    roger_m sees it just the way its supposed to be. A free product that is clean and works just as expected.

    webgrrrl go and try the software before writing your bonehead reviews.

  • Reply by roger_m on February 8, 2006

    Spyware Warrior state that they have not tested this program.

    Yes, they do state the company which makes this is connected with a spyware/adware distributor. However I have installed this on three PCs so far, and have found it to work very well.

  • Reply by webgrrrl on February 8, 2006

    cableguy wrote:

    "Here is the most important line from EULA...enjoy:

    Note: CRAWLER IS NOT SPYWARE OR ADWARE. NO POPUP ADS WILL APPEAR WITH THE SERVICES."

    _____________________________________________________

    Thanks for the laugh cableguyTK. One thing about you is certain. You picked the right user name. : )

    LOL!

  • Reply by CableguyTK on February 8, 2006

    Maybe if you took the time to install the software, open up the help and read the EULA you would stop complaining about this being "spyware".

    Install the software, goto the help, then click EULA.

    Here is the most important line from EULA...enjoy:

    Note: CRAWLER IS NOT SPYWARE OR ADWARE. NO POPUP ADS WILL APPEAR WITH THE SERVICES.

    Anf if you even think to complain about the fact that when you install it asks for you to send information about the scan results to their server, then you should be banned from the planet earth.

    They are a reputable company trying wholeheartedly to improve their product. So, like Microsoft AntiSpyware, like SunBelt CounterSpy, like SpyDefense, like almost any antispyware program, Spyware Terminator lets you submit your scan results to the server to better improve the product, something which you can opt out of.

    Get a friggin clue. This program is 100% safe.

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