Spyware Horror Story: Debugging for newbies
Submitted by Chookkii; Willaston, Australia
After reading all the stories and blogs, I'm starting to think that maybe all the problems I'm having all of a sudden could be caused by the Norton Internet Suite I purchased this year. My computer is running slowly, programs are constantly "not responding," I'm getting error reports about programs that I didn't even know were running, let alone that they existed, and to make it worse, I am very basic on the computer. We did not have them when I went to school, so all I know is only what I have taught myself. When something goes wrong, I have a hard time trying to fix it and if I do manage to fix it, you can bet I don't know (or remember) what I did to fix it!
Everyone talks about having enough memory, but I've no idea what I should have. My laptop has a speed of 1,729 MHz, RAM 512 MB, total capacity is 111.78 GB, and free disk space is 80.04--all of which means nothing to me. Also, everyone talks about cache memory, but no one tells you how much you should set your cache memory to. Anyway, if my problems are with Norton, what do you do? Do you put up with it since it cost over $100.00 for a year's subscription, or cut my losses and disable it?
Editor's response
As liberating as computers are, it's terrifying when things go wrong. You're left abandoned, even mocked!, by the tools on which you've come so heavily to rely. It's like having your trusty accountant wipe a stack of forms to the floor, storm out of the office, and leave you to sort out your own taxes.
That's why this Spyware Horror Story (see all) goes back to basics. Without a good foundation, novice users will perform tasks without understanding what they're doing or why. Not that this quick response will solve all problems, but it's a start.
Memory. The two kinds of memory Chookkii mentions are RAM (random access memory) and cache memory, the latter of which can mean different things in various contexts. In layman's terms, RAM is a sizable data reservoir that makes much of your data quicker to access, faster than pulling data from the hard disk. I've heard it described with a library book analogy, and here's another--getting data from RAM is a bit like getting a cold drink from the kitchen refrigerator, instead of from the garage. Cache memory works similarly, but is a reservoir to make getting select data even quicker than getting it from RAM, like fetching that drink from the mini fridge at your feet instead of traipsing to the kitchen.
If you're not a gamer or running a ton of heavy, full-featured programs, a 512 MB RAM is usually adequate. You can add more RAM, let's say a gigabyte (GB) more, by buying it from any retail or online electronics store (compare prices here.) That will generally speed your computer's performance, and is a good choice if you plan to store large multimedia files, like music, photos, and videos.
I'm no cache memory expert, but from what I understand, the limit is tied to the CPU chip that comes with your computer. Replacing that means messing with the guts of your computer. Don't take my word for it, though. There's a lot of good information on the Web, and plenty of forums to help, including CNET's.
Problems with Norton. While antivirus apps have been known to compete with each other and spontaneously combust when you've got too many going at once, I suspect Chookkii's problems are more of a malware nature. This was the tip-off: "I'm getting error reports about programs that I didn't even know were running, let alone that they existed." Ding, ding, ding! Ah, the sweet warning bells of corruption. There are a few things I'd do in this case.
First, make sure Norton is completely updated. You can do this by opening the program interface and finding the "Updates" button. The next step is to get a second opinion whether the software in question is unwanted malware or some greater system wreckage. I suggest scanning the computer with a different third party antivirus app. There are plenty of good choices out there, but I might start with one like SUPERAntiSpyware Free Edition.
If that doesn't turn up anything, you can easily escalate the hunt by running a diagnostic scan with Trend Micro Hijack This, a free, invaluable tool, and send the log to a dedicated spyware forum for analysis. Read our help manual for more details.
My final piece of advice is also the most drastic, and should be followed only if you're at your wit's end. Back up your photos, MP3s, and important documents (you could do this with an external hard drive or with software) and reinstall Windows with your original installation disks. This is time consuming and you'll lose all your extra programs and data, taking you back to the extreme basics. Known as a "clean install," this method also usually rids the system of what ails it and is a straightforward enough concept for even extreme novices to find success. Best of luck.
Find you also have suggestions for Chookkii? Leave them in the comments below.
Jessica Dolcourt reviews the latest and greatest smartphone apps, in addition to a healthy dose of Windows software. E-mail Jessica and follow her on Twitter. 
Infecting a computer and using it and hopefully many others to profit without remorse is the way it works now out there.
And agreeing with 11gardir, you cant just disable Norton and install something else. It has to be removed completely, you have to dnload the uninstall program at their site to insure that whatever you decide to run will not end up a mess.
Task Manager is #1 thought it works 99.99% of the time when others are hung up, & the os is not responding.
System idle should be 100% fluctuating in the 90s is also good.
For trouble with passable malwarz i suggest going to "trend micros house call" an on line scanner. http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
Usually finds & removes. U can also get your copy of hijack this while u r there.
They also have a new software out called "rubotted" you will see it there when u go to housecall. I am still testing this ware out myself.
i dont recall if in the post the person mentioned how long they have been operating on that install. i reformat every three months or so. Well not so much reformat as wipe the disk clean & restore the partion from the last clean install that was on the computer when i got it new. First thing i do with a new box is install Acronis True Image.
http://www.download.com/Acronis-True-Image-Home/3000-2242_4-10168093.html?tag=lst-1&cdlpid=10744891 Open it & backup drives. All backups r on a external that i dont use, only to backup data or restore. It takes minutes to restore. Compared to hours doing/making a clean install.
U probably dont have that luxury right now but take my word for it
Acronis True Image Home 11.0
is worth every penny. u can do more than restore. i dont want to go on about Acronis.
Clean install is daunting but worth while when done right make sure u have your disks. OS &
Drivers. Google reformat if u dont know how. its easy just time consuming.(Sometimes trouble shooting a problem is more trouble than it worth. U can spend days and still not have good result. I reformat & have about 50 installed programs in about 4-6 HRS. So i think to myself i know i will have the results i want if i reformat. trouble shooting i might just be chasing my tail.) An online scan from trend takes at least 2 HRS on my cpu. In that same amount of time you could reformat have drivers installed & be doing windows updates.
If u do reformat when the drivers r installed updates r done. BACKUP your os. No matter how u do it there r free bees out there windows has on on the os. Sorry for babbling hope i helped someone. thanx to everyone posting who has helped someone. i know it has helped me
He was able to get a program to restore the actual test.exe (or whatever it was called) on his drives and remove the virus but it took alot of time. Funny I never knew about this file.
install update and run windows defender
update and run AV software
Go to online scanner at trend micro
uninstall all the garbage you have installed via downloads
Trash Norton anything
try almost any other securirty suite major brands ie trend micro, Mcafee etc. etc.
scan again
throw laptop in washer and repeat
I agree with other posters here that they may very well have a malware/adware problem on the computer. But I would take Norton off and see if the problem still persist and also do a scan for malware/adware.
If I was going to switch OS, it wouldn't be to a Mac, it would be Linux.
It has nothing to do with flaming, it's a matter of market share. The greater majority of computers out there in the wide, wide world use Windows. More software is written for Windows. More people are trained to use Windows. Having a Mac is wonderful, if you can afford it, and if you have access to an infrastructure that can repair/support it without draining your bank account.
Another aspect is that, since more people use Windows, more malware is created for it. Don't kid yourself...if Apple were the majority OS, it would be in the same position. Same goes for Linux. Right now, it's just not worth the time and effort of scumbags who create the stuff, as there aren't as many bragging rights for doing anything to a non-Windows system.
Using a computer requires the same preparation as anything else. If you plan of going out into the great big world with it, you'd better be prepared for bad things to happen...they do and they will. Just as you would get vaccinations before traveling to some exotic land, you need to protect your computer from viruses and bugs of all kinds.
While Mac users do still have fewer malware attacks, it may be due more to the numbers of machines than to the OS. When PCs outnumbered Macs by about 20-to-1, hackers generaly ignored Macs; after all, would you rather .spend your time on infecting maybe 200,000 machines or 10,000. But this is starting to change as the ratio approaches 15-to-1. According to MacNewsWorld (12-11-07), "Hackers are definitely stepping up attacks against the Apple platform, and relying on a firewall for protection is not enough, said Paul Henry, vice president of tech evangelism at Secure Computing. 'I run an AV on my Macs. It is necessary in this environment."
Regarding Norton: I was a long-time user of Peter's software, starting with his "Norton Utilities" in the nid-80's. His stuff was generally good, even though not perfect. After he sold out to Symantec, but remained as the leader of the group, software sold under the Norton name was still fairly good, though there was some deterioration. After Peter retired a few years ago, and the Symantec people took over completely, it has gotten so bad that I will not use it. Gunfighter1948 and HawkeyePierce63 are right -- get rid of it. There are better security programs out there, including Kapersky, BitDefender,Trend Micro, and AVG.
Getting apps or add-ons to enhance security for your browser is always a good idea. The FireFox team in process of developing FireFox 4 are introducing some enhancements to auto update descriptors for web hijacking on the fly (every 15 mins or so), but that's for in the future...
I dream of a world where these big business antivirus and anti-spyware people stop sitting on their duffs and relying on antiquated software base forms and become innovative in the world of pc usage today. Write some add-ons or learn to integrate your products with the software that links a pc to the roads that virii and spyware gets in on. Most AV software and spyware software only react after the malware is on the system already, that provides a time frame of susceptibility to malicious code on the machine before anti-malware applications can deal with it. Let's look at it as it comes in (sure they have real-time email scanners, not saying they're not needed), but many people use webmail a lot rather than a stand-alone mail application, so that doesn't help them unless they're saving an attachment, in which case, refer to above. Let's take a look and analyze the data that's coming through the pipe of the internet before allowing it to actually arrive..Firewalls are great for blocking stuff coming from somewhere unexpected, but it doesn't really scan anything coming in on an accepted interface.
Get yourself a registry cleaner like Registry Mechanic (not free) or Eusing Free Registry Cleaner (make sure to set the options to create a restore point before cleaning). Cleaning your registry may well help out with the speed problem.
As for virus/spy ware try Sunbelt Software?s Vipre (currently in beta, but seems to work great). Avira Antivir is a good antivirus (free or paid). Try Adaware Free for spy ware.
Firewalls - try Comodo (free) Sunbelt Personal Firewall (no, I don?t work for them but I do like there stuff).
Lastly, read everything you can about computer security. Also after you get all of these programs - use them. Take the time every week and run your scans (or set them to run every night. Keep you registry cleaned out .
Don?t want to make you paranoid but ?they? are out to get you. Don?t let them do it!
- by VitaPrimo March 28, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
- Get a Mac!
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