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March 19, 2008 5:10 PM PDT

Is Safari versus Firefox a fair fight?

by Seth Rosenblatt
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Apple's Safari browser took a big step toward cross-platform competitiveness last year when it introduced a beta version for Windows, but there are legitimate questions as to whether it can really hold its own against Mozilla's Firefox. Safari dropped the beta from its name earlier this week, but is there anything more to it other than a developer's tool with a Mac interface?

If you're looking for features, the answer is a resounding no. Firefox's open source code and ever-growing army of extensions and themes make it the leader when it comes to customization. Also, Firefox fans are well-known for not being ashamed of borrowing a good idea: Whether it's SnapBack from Safari or SpeedDial from Opera, new features introduced elsewhere get ported to Firefox in record time.

CNET Download.com on Firefox 2

(Credit: CNET Networks)

They should, too. Firefox is an absolute powerhouse when it comes to extensibility, and it will be a long time before any other browser can compete with the community that supports it. However, all that firepower comes at a price, most notably speed. Although Firefox 3 betas have been fired up with a new engine that renders faster and supposedly has far fewer security risks, until the final version comes out it's hard to tell how much better version 3 will be compared with version 2.

Safari for Windows makes a halfhearted effort to incorporate some feature competition. SnapBack has received the most attention: it lets users impermanently mark a page and jump back to it with a hot key or a click. The more interesting feature, though, is Private Browsing. This lets users turn off or autoerase all built-in recorders in one step, from the cache to AutoFill to the browsing history. It's sort of the inverse of Firefox's Clear Private Data feature, except that you get to keep information that you don't want to lose.

Another excellent Safari tweak is that it's Find function will locate all instances of the search term on a page at once. The first will be highlighted differently, but they'll all pop out at the user. Safari for Windows lacks in other areas, though. The Permanent FreeScroll, when you click on the center wheel of your mouse and navigate the page without holding down a mouse-button, didn't work in Vista, and the Search bar's contents are specific to the tab.

CNET Download.com on Safari 3.1.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

As undeniable that Firefox is the add-on king, Safari 3.1 looks like it could be the fastest nonbeta browser around for Windows. Just by eyeballing it, Safari looked as if it was loading Google's Gmail much faster than on Firefox 2. Eyeballs aren't enough, though, so I gave it a shot at the SunSpider JavaScript Benchmark. Of the nine categories that both were tested in, Safari blew Firefox out of the water in each one: it was 2.11 times faster overall.

In addition to being a faster browser, Safari supports the latest HTML and CSS code better than Firefox, although if the new code is only supported by one browser out of the top four it's unlikely that users will be demanding change. Notably, Safari suffers from the same security issues that plague all browsers--version 3.1 not only updated the program out of beta, but also patched 13 security flaws.

Personally, I'm sticking with Firefox. There are too many extensions, from Adblock Plus and Tab Mix Plus to Better Gmail and MR Tech Local Install, that make my browsing life so much easier I get frustrated using the Web without them. If you're not attached to particular add-ons, Safari might be an excursion worth taking for a while.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.
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by moratorium March 19, 2008 10:06 PM PDT
true
safaris the fastest, firefox most customizable, and opera convenient(for me, speed dial etc) internet explorer on my computer is off of my pc from now on(it got a virus that made google give me lots of pop ups, and other stuff). also safari is the fastest when i want to stream videos
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by Joe M March 20, 2008 5:15 AM PDT
It depends on your platform... On a Mac, Safari's keyboard convention is the same as that of OS X, it integrates with other OS features like Dashboard (Firefox does not), and the speed difference is like night and day.

I like Firefox, don't get me wrong, but the value of many the extensions offered is questionable (weather tickers, UI themes, etc.), and on the whole they don't always make up for its disadvantages in speed, CSS compliance, and integration with the OS.

Maybe I'm too picky, but I prefer Safari's performance advantages to Firefox's bells and whistles. Still, the fact that Firefox is as consistently good as it is across Windows, Mac, and Linux platforms makes it worthy of the attention it gets.
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by fruzzetti March 20, 2008 6:07 PM PDT
This is exactly why a lot of firmly OS-branded software has trouble surviving in an opposing-platform environment. We Windows and Linux users -don't- want to have to learn a new set of keystrokes. While it's great for you that Safari is intuitive to use, when Apple brings it to me I want it to work like every other browser I've used. Likewise, research suggests you're 65% more likely to consider my program for the Mac if I strictly adhere to the established software conventions of the Mac.

It's common sense!
by moonnyc March 20, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
I use both browsers, however Firefox has tons of extensions that I can't find for Safari. Firefox can also open tabs and windows by default at start-up; this is not a big deal but definitely a good feature to have. Both browsers handles saving usernames and passwords, pretty well, however Safari has trouble to save usernames and passwords on some sites. I probably will continue to use both browsers Safari when I need speed, Firefox when I need more functionality. One feature that safari have, that i find myself looking for in other browsers is the "snap back". Its a little orange arrow to the right of the address bar, comes in very handy for me when i need to get back with one click from where i started browsing.
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by ognen93 March 20, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
Well, I'll also be sticking with Firefox. I've never really tried Safari, I'll download it just to check it out. But I do think that even if it's faster, Firefox has got many features that make it superb!
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by skiracer712 March 20, 2008 7:09 AM PDT
What about Opera? I just switched from Ff2 to Opera and altough I do miss a few extensions, many are built right into Opera by default. I do not miss opening Firefox and waiting 10-15 seconds for it to load, and I also dont miss some of the longer page load times, even with extensions like faster fox to boost those speeds. Ive had nothing but speed on loading Opera or websites. Only big thing I wish Opera had that Firefox does is McAfee SiteAdvisor.
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by RoseCityMike March 20, 2008 7:20 AM PDT
I've tested the latest version of Safari and will admit that it is notably quicker than FF 2.0 or even FF3.4 beta. However, I still have a problem with the "fuzzy" text that Safari uses. FF simply displays text so much crisper - open both browser side-by-side and compare.

Safari is fun to toy with and the speed is breakneck but you'll need to fix the font display before getting me to shift from FF.
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by PortVista-19095313035016904102 March 20, 2008 7:20 AM PDT
Safari for Windows can't break thru the firewall and then crashes on my computer at work, while Firefox does not. Not a hard decision for me.
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by thefox84 March 20, 2008 8:08 AM PDT
I've tried Firefox, Safari, Camino, and Opera. I hated Camino, use Opera for certain things due to its convenience, and will even move to Safari when I just need to visit a site or two. Yet I continue to use Firefox, I did with my old XP machine, and I still do with Leopard. I really hope however they decrease how much memory and CPU Firefox uses. Hell I have a new Blackbook and sometimes I see the spinning circle of delay in Firefox. This SHOULDN'T happen, I've been rendering in Final Cut, working with Soundtrack, listening to iTunes, with iChat open and never had the spinning circle of slight delay. Yet when I just have Firefox or Firefox and iTunes open Firefox sometimes hangs on me. Why???? with a 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo and 2 gigs of ram this just shouldn't happen. Even as I complain I refuse to give up the excellent features of Firefox like "Undo Closed Tab", "Tab Mix Plus", "Foxytunes", "Adblock", etc. I'll keep using Firefox over Safari so long as I have those extra addons, just improve the efficiency please.
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by Crazysamz March 20, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
http://digg.com/software/Firefox_vs_Safari_2
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by tnd713 March 20, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
Safari for Windows is the most sophisticated internet browsing software I've ever used. It has the most wonderful security features. It kicks IE's butt. I will be using Safari from now on. It's worth it.
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by iff2mastamatt March 20, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
I prefer the Avant browser (I'm using it right now) Safari and Firefox are both extremely slow compared to Avant, including download speeds. Avant is like a mix between internat explorer 7 and firefox2. Though this browser is not well known, its still the best!

Download it here:
http://www.avantbrowser.com/download.html

Enjoy!
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by j_m_h March 20, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
I've compared safari to firefox on my own system and safari isn't any faster (at least not noticable to me on surfing - and that is all that matters - if a web page appears to pull up just as quick from one system to the next then speed comparison is out the window - and actually all the browsers I've tested are pretty much just as quick as one another but lack considerably in all other fields to firefox). Firefox is so much better than the other browsers. I've been using it now for about two months and I can't use other browsers now without getting irritated with them for not being able to do what firefox does.
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by chris_baker2007 March 20, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
I happen to be a Firefox user since 1.5, and am addicted to version 2. I love it and it seems that without the VAST CUSTOMIZATION that Firefox offers with their extensions I would be lost on the internet. Multiple extensions do slow Firefox down, therefore when I want to browse the internet with speed and ease of use alternate to Safari, whose speed is unrivaled.
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by nsyris2 March 20, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
I have both for my PC Laptop and I like both but the new safari is faster to me and has a cleaner look.
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by jaytee0 March 20, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
While it's true that Safari 3.1 is faster than Firefox 2, it is not faster than Firefox 3.

Firefox 3 wins hands down, as it retains the amazing customizability, and trumps Safari in speed.
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by wannamac March 20, 2008 1:26 PM PDT
I use firefox and love all the customization i can do to it especially the add keyword search feature, couldn't live without it. I tried the new Safari 3.1 for windows and yes it is a faster and a very clean interface but I feel constricted after using firefox for so long. Some of the basic stuff i do on a daily bases i can't do it with safari. If safari had customizing and tweaks like firefox then i would switch to it in an instant but for now im sticking with firefox and will still use safari on occasions on my other machine just because it is faster. So like the article said if you do not care about customizing your browser then safari is a good choice for you.
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by fireproof3232 March 20, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
i do not even like mac products and i downloaded the safari browser and i use it everyday i do not even use ie any more i was inpressed the only problem that i have had it asks me to reload the oage when i click the back button and u have to download all the addons i wish it came with all yhe addons like flash and shockwave if had all of it at the begging it would be awesome but safari for windows is great
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by n25philly March 20, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
Am I the only one that think Safari is ridiculously slow? Even going on Apple's website is slow as hell. I think it would be quicker to walk to where the site is hosted that go on the site with Safari.
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by March 20, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
The real benefit to using Safari on OS X is the integration with Keychain - the ubiquitous password / certificate / access control DES encrypted management program. Available across OS X, it is used by multiple applications, so there is only "one version of the truth:, not managing passwords and certificates in N number of places.

If you want Firefox rendering, and Mac [Keychain] integration, use Camino - part of the Mozilla project along with Firefox. Not so many add ins, but well done.
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by nixl March 20, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
It seems like hell will freee over before CNET gives a good review for Mac soft/hardware. Safari is fast and works well. Your reviews are like film reviews: nothing is good, nothing is a 10. But you really never let up on Mac even when they deserve a 10! It is the fastest browser, so the code is lean.
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