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January 13, 2008 12:01 AM PST

Tipster: Tip calculator for fast meal math

by Jessica Dolcourt
Tipster

For consistent 15 percent tipsters living in municipalities with a 7.5 percent dining tax, generating the perfect 15 percent tip is as simple as doubling the tax. If that's not you, Oh Arithmetic-Challenged One, you've got a bum deal. (See below for a quick computational technique.)

It's for this set, and for diners who frequently split a bill, that Ilium Software developed Tipster. The free, simple app for Palm, Windows Mobile smartphone and Pocket PC hurriedly computes your tax and total.

Tipster calculates tax in 5 percent increments up to 30 percent, and can evenly split the amount owed among diners (up to ten,) tip included. Working out how much four people should pay on an $86.52 bill with a 20 percent tip becomes instant and headache-free. Just don't try anything funny, like tipping 18 percent.

Math-addled? An easy way to compute 15 percent tip.
1.) Look at the total bill: $20.51 (or euros, pesos, etc.)
2.) Take the first three digits (in bills under $1,000), and mentally add a decimal point after the first digit.*: $20.51 --> $2.05. That's 10 percent. Let's round down to $2.00.
3.) Halve that to get 5 percent: $1.00.
4.) Add both calculations to reach 15 percent: $3.00

*To calculate 10 percent in bills under $10, take the first two digits and make them cents: $7.50 --> 75 cents. To calculate 10 percent in bills over $1,000, add the decimal point after the first three digits: $1,150 --> $115.

Jessica Dolcourt reviews the latest and greatest smartphone apps, in addition to a healthy dose of Windows software. E-mail Jessica and follow her on Twitter.
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by stmike703 January 13, 2008 8:15 AM PST
I'm surprised at the hype on this tip calculator. This kind of "app" has been around for years and is featured on some cells as standard software.

There's been one out for months for the iPhone as a web app and it works just like this one. Surprise!
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by boopiejones January 15, 2008 2:35 PM PST
my thoughts exactly. i have the worlds crappiest free phone. no camera, no bluetooth, a total POS. and guess what? it has a tip calculator that allows me to split amongst my fellow diners.
by stmike703 January 13, 2008 8:15 AM PST
I'm surprised at the hype on this tip calculator. This kind of "app" has been around for years and is featured on some cells as standard software.

There's been one out for months for the iPhone as a web app and it works just like this one. Surprise!
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by flywithsean January 13, 2008 11:31 AM PST
Are you serious!! 15% is an unacceptable tip amount. Your theory of double the tip is such a senior citizen theory. 20% is a standard tip and guess what, anyone can do that math. These tip calculators are retarded, and anyone who uses them is even more retarded. We are talking about third grade math!!!
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by justdaven January 14, 2008 5:54 AM PST
Try not being judgmental. If someone does not feel confident in their math skills and would rather make sure they don't shortchange the person who is serving them, then this is a good tool for them.

As far as the percentages, I was also taught 15% as standard. I use that as the bottom edge, and work up from there, based on level of service and how much time I spent at the table (I double it if I was spending a long time there talking :) )
by woodygg January 15, 2008 6:27 AM PST
spoken like a true waiter...

15% for std service...
20% for very good service...

and you're right - how sad is it that our society even needs a tool like this to do basic math...
by Haley13 January 15, 2008 2:13 PM PST
here here and if people can't figure out 20% then there is no way on earth they should be earning enough to eat out in the first place much less smart enough to figure out how to use a calculator
by Phaedrus76 January 21, 2008 1:53 PM PST
I'm guessing flywithsean is a waiter who is A. Unfortunately stiffed regularly by customers (which is a shame) or B. Actually tipped fairly or generously for bad service. I live in a city (NYC) where both I and 95% of the people I know are either waiter/bartenders or have been at some point in their lives. Some of them try to push the "20% is the new standard" line, but not many, because they quite simply are wrong. It's a RANGE, sean, and 15% is perfectly acceptable for the mediocre service standard in restaurants today. Better service rates batter tips.

This concept that people are "owed" tips has only come as a result of the collusion between restaurant owners who don't believe they should have to pay their staff salaries, and waitstaff who don't like the idea of declaring their taxable income.

I'm sure you also insist that you should tip on the tax, too, even though that number has absolutely nothing to do with the food and service a restaurant provides...
by kevineanderson January 14, 2008 7:22 AM PST
I'm with "flywithsean". Did you NOT pay attention in your HS Math class? Getting 15% is the same as multipying by .15 - VERY simple. AND, your PDA already HAS a CALCULATOR.
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by itstheoldindy January 14, 2008 10:41 AM PST
15% is a standard tip here, but I live in Canada, where there actually is a minimum wage for serving staff and it isn't very much lower than the standard minimum wage.

I can't believe the writer of the article thinks 20% is a harder tip to calculate than 15%. If you can double 7.5%, you can probably figure out that 10% of $86.52 is $8.65 (move the decimal place once to the left), and then to get 20% you double that and leave a tip of $17.30.

If you sometimes draw a blank on doing the addition in your head (as I do), just round up to $9 and leave a tip of $18. If you can afford to eat out in a place where you should leave a tip, you can afford to round up to the nearest buck or two. Don't be stingy.

My relatively low-end LG celphone came with a tip calculating utility, but I never use it.
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by crys0000 January 14, 2008 10:53 AM PST
I live in Italy and here we usually don't pay tips: the serving staff is paid by the restaurant owner and the price of the meal includes the service too. Isn't it easier than using this calculator?
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by Spoons January 15, 2008 8:14 AM PST
Yes, and the lousy and surly service you get at Italian restaurants (or anywhere tipping isn't common) is the result.
by itstheoldindy January 14, 2008 11:22 AM PST
crys0000, if you can convince our governments to change the minimum wage laws so that servers get paid enough to live on and don't need tips, go for it. ;)
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by Phaedrus76 January 21, 2008 2:02 PM PST
If you tried to do that, every waiter in a cheap restaurant would cheer- and every waiter in an expensive restaurant would run away, because they'd actually have to pay taxes on their full incomes. You're absolutely right, but it's the simple fact that waiters, by and large, LIKE this system that has insured no such movement exists.
by btonetbone January 15, 2008 7:40 AM PST
Wow! Now I can feel really smart when I can't figure out simple math!
Not only do I have the world's most expensive phone, but I can pull out my fancy gadget in clear view of my waiter/waitress, let them see my vast wealth and them stiff them with a 15% tip! Everyone (ok, well...me) wins!

Please tip 20% unless your service is really bad.
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by dmcclel1 January 15, 2008 8:04 AM PST
flywithsean,

you should really watch how you use the word retarded...
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by Phaedrus76 January 21, 2008 2:03 PM PST
Presumably, speaking to his customers with that kind of respect is what's leading him to get stiffed...
by ackmondual January 15, 2008 12:14 PM PST
It's a shame that advertising box eats up such a HUGE amount of space. IMO, no freeware app is worth that. At the very least, put the ads on a seperate screen, or a splash or exit screen.
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by ElmoKajaky January 15, 2008 1:18 PM PST
20% is a lot of money for saying "is everything OK?" once every five minutes. 15% is more than enough. In fact, the tip system itself is lame - why do people expect extra money to do their job competently in the first place?

Wait staff need to be paid more by the restaurant so we can do away with this archaic practice. The service in Japan is awesome, and they have no tip system. Also, you can get help from any waiter; you don't have to memorize your waiter's name and try to hunt them down when there are plenty of other waiters walking around. What a pain...
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by mmachado22 January 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
Elmo you are a cheapskate
by jgjtheman2000 January 15, 2008 9:18 PM PST
I am a waiter in Tennessee. My resturant pays me $2.13 per hour to serve tables. Since the government has this low pay for servers please do not be stingy with your money. If you have enough money to eat out you should have enough money to tip. This is the reason why gratuity in my resturant is placed on 8+ people. Sometimes people don't want to tip servers for their stressful job. Basically, do not dog servers untill you try it yourself. I am not saying to give every server 20% or more, because there are some really bad servers, but if you feel like the service was good and you left happy, leave them what they deserve.
by newjerzkidd January 15, 2008 1:52 PM PST
this has been around on verizon phones, or any cell phone, for as long as i can remember...
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by Haley13 January 15, 2008 2:10 PM PST
This is retarded - first off you should be leaving a min. 20% tip (unless service was horrible) and if you can't figure out 20% of a final bill then you shouldn't make enough money to eat out in the first place
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by boopiejones January 15, 2008 2:41 PM PST
haley13, you are obviously a waiter or have been one in the past. since when is 20% standard??? i usually tip that much, but i know an awful lot of people that are very into the 15% or even less for bad service mantra.
by robymiller January 15, 2008 2:47 PM PST
I'm embarrassed for cnet for putting this article on.
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by soggybomb January 15, 2008 5:07 PM PST
20% minimum. If the person is rude, then 15%. If they, for instance, forget the food, start deducting from there.
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by tizzanne January 15, 2008 5:14 PM PST
If you have a job and you are getting paid for that job, then why should the diner/customer be required to pay you again? If you think the job does not pay enough, get another job that pays better. If you can't get another job either you are not looking hard enough or you are not a good enough employee in which case any pay you get is probably more than you deserve. This so called required tipping business is totally inappropriate, a customer should only tip if he/she thinks the service provided is more than expected and even then, the amount should be what the customer thinks is best, not the service provider. Requiring a customer to pay a 20% tip regardless of the quality of service is not only wrong, it puts unreasonable angst on the customer. No tip should be necessary, it should only counted as a bonus.
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by Farjamed January 15, 2008 5:42 PM PST
With all due respect, you must be ignorant to the fact that servers in the U.S., for all practical purposes, do not get paid by the restaurant. In Texas, servers, get paid $2.13/hr, which is then ALL taken away by taxes, SS, etc. With that attitude, I hope you don't frequent the same restuarants too often; you may be unknowingly getting "something more than expected" in your food! Happy Dining!
by jgjtheman2000 January 15, 2008 9:27 PM PST
Wow! I am a waiter in Tennessee. My resturant pays me $2.13 per hour to serve tables. Since the government has this low pay for servers please do not be stingy with your money. If you have enough money to eat out you should have enough money to tip. This is the reason why gratuity in my resturant is placed on 8+ people. Sometimes people like you don't want to tip servers for their stressful job. I honestly don't know what else to say to you. Please don't go to the resturant if you can not afford to tip. There are wonderful fast food places where the workers get paid a not so honest wage, but it is still a wage. Also don't order any alcohol from your waiter at a resturant because he or she may end up paying for you when you leave them a $1 tip on a $50 dollar dinner for 2. I am sure you didn't know they but whatever alcoholic drinks you get at a resturant the person serving you as long as it is not the bartender must the tip the bartender 10% or the alcoholic beverages. Please stop being cheap or eat at Wendy's, they have great food for any kind of diet.
by flywithsean January 15, 2008 11:18 PM PST
This theory of "it should be a bonus" is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I guarantee you are known at restaurants you frequent and I am sure your service is equal to your "great" tipping. If you want it to be only a bonus then ask your local government to raise the minimum for tipped waiters/waitresses to more than $2.13 an hour. Oh and then that 20% you don't want to pay will be added to your bill in higher costs.
by Rychdom January 16, 2008 1:01 AM PST
As a server, I can't stand the ignorance most people have about the money we make. I've lived in Texas and Arizona, and both states pay $3.45/hour for servers...er, um...waiters. The hourly pay goes toward the taxes on my tips. I seriously get pay checks that say "This is not a check". I haven't gotten a real paycheck in years! All my income is from tips. On top of that, we tip-out 4.5% to the busser, bartender, and food-runner (1.5% each). If you tip 15%, we actually only get 10.5%. Typically, my total sales for a shift are $600-800. I work 5-6 shifts a week because I go to school. You do the math...

My problems with this post are:

1) I EXPECT 20%! End of story. I bust my behind for every one of my guests, no matter how rude or ignorant they are. And I'm nice about it, too. Waiting tables isn't just bringing drinks and ringing in an order. I personally NEVER tip under $5, even if that equates to a 100% tip!

2) The "To calculate 10 percent on bills under $10" part is just ridiculous. What am I going to do with 75 cents? That's especially annoying when you think about the fact that you held up my table for 30-45 minutes or more. While you were sitting there eating like a bird and reading your book, I missed out on a potentially lucrative tip from the table I would've had if you had just sat at the bar or taken your food to-go. (Bartenders actually get paid $6+/hour)

3) The "To calculate 10 percent in bills over $1,000" part is equally ridiculous. If your bill is $1000, a) you've been there for most of my shift, b) there's a good chance I'm splitting the table and tip with another server...er, um...waiter, and c) you've got the money to spare. $115 (before 3% tip-out) to split with another server leaves about $80 (or $40 for two servers) instead of $195 (or $97.50 for two servers).
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by woodygg January 20, 2008 8:20 AM PST
Sounds like you need to change careers. It's not up to you to redefine the percentage...
by Pard68 January 20, 2008 5:48 AM PST
Way I see it tipping is a courtesy that the customer chooses to pay or chooses not to pay. It has become a custom do this but honestly tipping means the person is doing x% better than expected. The usually tip from me is between 10 and 15% and before you start moaning to me and saying that isn't enough know I live in Connecticut where the waiter gets paid a minimum of 8.75. (Almost triple that of Rych) Not only that we have a tax now that we pay every year that is designed to give the waiter even more money than that 8.75 so really not only do I pay a tip but I pay even more money every year so that some waiter who has never served me can get more money. And actually since this bill has been passed and I rarely eat out anyways I rarely tip anymore. And again before you start moaning I eat out probably a total of 10 times a year max, that is the stuff I pay for as I do eat out with my work but I never pay.
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by flywithsean January 20, 2008 6:11 AM PST
You couldn't be more wrong about the wage for waitstaff in your state. Right off the CT state website the minimum for servers is $5.41!!!
http://www.ctdol.state.ct.us/wgwkstnd/faqs-employees.htm#waitpersons
by woodygg January 20, 2008 8:23 AM PST
you're the old parent we're all embarassed by when they do this (so far, that's the only people I've currently run into that do this). i generally sneak money on the table to leave at least a half way decent tip when eating with someone like you...
by craigfaircloth January 20, 2008 8:50 AM PST
Tipping is terribly easy just tip $2 for every ten dollars you spend. so if you spend $20 tip $4. You should tip 20% unless the service was bad. Remember how it was when you were trying to work your way through college.
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by tizzanne January 2, 2009 12:37 PM PST
I do remember working to pay my way through university. I worked in a vineyard picking grapes and got paid Au$75 cents per bucket. I could fill 100 buckets during my working day (4 hours) and would have worked longer if I needed extra money. Anyone who works for such a pittance as some of the waiters/servers here should throw in their jobs and get a real one. They wouldn't need to complain about not getting good wages.
by flywithsean January 20, 2008 10:54 AM PST
I still have no idea why with everything going on in the world of technology that cnet puts this article as one of their top 4 stories. I seems to keep reappearing as well.

This is just sad
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