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October 22, 2009 12:00 AM PDT

Prizefight: Snow Leopard vs. Windows 7

by Seth Rosenblatt
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You like high-profile cage matches? It doesn't get more intense than the operating system that encompasses Microsoft's hopes and dreams, Windows 7, going processor-to-processor against a refreshed and re-invigorated Snow Leopard from Apple. Can Windows 7 move past the failures of its predecessor Vista, or will Snow Leopard turn this into a one-cat fight? See what three CNET editors think of Windows 7 versus Snow Leopard in our latest Prizefight. You better believe it's subjective.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.

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by shellcodes_coder October 22, 2009 12:11 AM PDT
Endangered crap os x snow leopard is already being dethroned by Windows 7 on amazon and in the UK too. As far as the prize fight goes...let's see how many hours it should take for 7 to surpass the total market share of os x!!
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
any idiot would realize that. more people buying sum thin doesn't make it better. snow leopard had a better interface. and more features. not to mention better ones (i.e. tm better than easy transfer. bonjour better than homegroup.) plus windows still doesn't have virtual desktops. a feature mac and linux users have had for years.
by M7RI2002 October 22, 2009 6:05 PM PDT
you don't now nothing so stop with the comments,
by Khurt October 24, 2009 9:45 AM PDT
As a Mac user, I will admit that Windows based computers will outsell OS X based computers (Macs). This will happen, not because Windows is a better operating system but because people will buy what they already know and use. Because Windows is primarily used in corporate computing (which is where Microsoft has ALWAYS focused their attention) and people will want to use what they use at work. This was the mistake Apple made long ago. Apple focused on the education and creative market thinking that once people entered the work world they would demand Macs.

Corporate America's major concern is reducing cost and maximizing profits. They want something cheap and good enough. They don't care about ease of use or style. This is why corporate desktops/laptop are as ugly as sin and lack the whiz band features we see in consumer PCs. My 3 year old MacBook still have more features and power than the brand new HP corporate laptop I received this week.

So in the end the corporate worker will want to run the same apps and work with the same data and systems that he/she is most familiar with. Buying a Mac means being willing to stop following the herd and trying something new and maybe unfamiliar. Me .. I couldn't give a f**k is my Mac can run some business type program. I bought my computer to do the fun and interesting things I like to do. And I bought the computer that allows me to do those things with very little friction.

Your needs and wants and desire may vary. I'm a Mac.
by Hoogal2 October 26, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
The only reason that WIN 7 is out doing Snow leopard is case the system base is so much bigger for Windows look at the Percentage of PC users compared to Mac users its a huge Difference. Now with that said most people don't use macs... why? because they are not made to be Massed Produced Mom and Pop Dime a Dozen computers. they are Quality made computers made for people that will spend the extra Buck for a good computer. I asked about 20 of the people in my Unit why did they buy a HP, Toshiba, Dell, Compaq over a Mac almost all of them said the same thing "I don't really know, I just want a Cheap computer that I didn't care about. And I really don't know much about to computers." those are the people that buy PC's well most of them The rest of the people that Buy PC's are people that game... Now thats One thing that I will give PC's Credit on Gaming, and I do thing that mac needs to get on the ball and Come up with a gaming computer. Even still software for macs is Pretty thin. I still think hands Down Mac and Leopard OS is easyer to use faster and will come with ohhhhh lets see %100 less Bugs, Problems and complications than Win 7
by exactlyy October 22, 2009 3:21 AM PDT
yeah i bet in less than 5 hours after it is released windows 7 w'll be installed on more machines than Apple has ever sold since 1989 .
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by MisiuKolorowy October 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
yeah and i was by people who spell just like you
by M7RI2002 October 22, 2009 6:06 PM PDT
you don't now that your talking about,
by cdev090 October 27, 2009 2:41 PM PDT
You need grammar lessons. Maybe it's from using a PC all these years. But you do sound like you know what your talking about.
by jaybonline October 22, 2009 3:29 AM PDT
ill go for apple if they will make it available for my hardware....
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by sachmo_martinez October 22, 2009 3:48 AM PDT
I would love leopard...the only reason I use makemesoft is because I work on other peoples computers and have to know it, no matter how bad it sucks
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by thefruitguy October 26, 2009 7:04 AM PDT
man i also work on others computers and i own a macbook pro new gen. there's programs called VIRTUAL MACHINE that will do the work... also works FAST when running even 3 OS at the same time. I will say my specs and how many OS i had run at the same time: MacBook Pro CPU 2.53 Ghz, 4GB DDR3, 250 sata HDD, Nvidia Gforce 9, 13" LED display, etc... i run on VMware Fusion (virtual machine) Windows XP, windows Vista and ubuntu (linux) at the same time running obviously on MacOS X leopard (not snow leopard).

That's the power of a mac, i tried to do that once on windows vista and xp and i got the BLUE SCREEN!!
by unswayed October 22, 2009 4:20 AM PDT
Do not be hyped by either voice. They probably work for Microsoft or Apple.
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by auscop October 22, 2009 4:54 AM PDT
Yes, Windozs 7 may be already on more PC's than Snow Leopard is on Macs. But I will bet a million bucks that within a week there are more viruses on Windoze 7 PCs that has been on ALL Macs in history. It amazes me how many IT challenged people are out there still.
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by ryanw19 October 22, 2009 6:27 AM PDT
Say you have a huge number of product A sold to consumers
you have a significantly smaller number of product B sold to consumers
you are going to have more issues with product A than product B, because there are more stupid people using product A.

It amazes me how many mathematically challenged people are out there still.
By the way, I've been running Windows PCs since I was 16. I am now 23 and have never had a computer virus. Give me a version of OSX I can install on my PC and I will gladly dual boot it.
by oresteia22 October 22, 2009 10:59 AM PDT
Mmmm.... you're clearly a moron who can't get their head round big ideas or reality so I'll put it simply for you: if Macs are so good, why do so many more people use Windows?

Just stick to your smug clique and stop bothering the rest of us.

By the way, if you're going to make that tired "Windoze" gag - you could at least get the spelling right. Or should we make allowances for the fact that you were probably composing your tripe on a sheeny-shiny piece of crud?
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT
@oresteia
wow stupidity at its best. macs arent as used much because they're expensive. cheap things always win in the market.
by MaxSux October 22, 2009 6:31 PM PDT
Wasn't the first A/V software developed for Macs? Google it and learn something new. It amazes me how many IT challenged MAC users are out there still.
by auscop October 23, 2009 2:17 AM PDT
Ryanw19, WOW been using PCs for 7 year... Oh my Gowd... I have been working in the IT industry longer than you have been alive. I for many of those years was a Windoze guy. I actually use to make fun of Mac users too, until I was brainwashed... errr I mean shown the light to buy one. I have not looked back. It is a fantastic OS and HW. Glad to hear you have not had a virus in that time. You must be doing something right. Also glad to here you would give OS X a go. Try Google'ing hackintosh.

oresteia22, Please stay off the moron slamming, over my life time I most likely have killed more brain cells with alcohol that you will ever have. I do apologise for the spelling mistake... Damn Microsoft keyboard.

MaxSux, Well golly jeez, not sure what you are reading there buddy. I think you need some more education. IT challenged... ME, hate to tell yu there buddy, I work in one of the most advanced IT industries that I can't actually mention right now or I would have to shoot you after I told yu. I have been in dat dawg gone industry for over 22 yrs. I poop smarter than you.

With all that aside now, I will admit Macs are very expensive, don't need to tell me that I bought them. But the HW is A class. Looking at buying a new 27" iMac now. But hold your breath I am also buying a copy of Windoze 7... possibly 2.... Yes you heard me right. Microsoft has it's place in the market but so does Mac. And it will take a lot of convincing that Windoze is better.
by Khurt October 24, 2009 9:50 AM PDT
I'm sure that Toyota sells a lot more Camry and Corollas than they sell Lexus IS or ES. That does not make the Camry better than the Lexus ES. It just means some people can afford and enjoy a Lexus and the ones who can't feel the need to make fun of them. Just like the Windows vs OS X thing.
by Xperienced_SoftPro October 25, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
I find it amusing that people use math when trying to debate the merits of one product vs another.
An excellent example that Madison Avenue has done its job.
But lets throw out that flawed logic and debate the merits of either without discussing which one sold the most.
The fact that there are more windows platforms with which to accumulate viruses then OS X platforms is a known fact .Big deal. It is the "design" of the OS itself that opens or closes it off to viruses.
As a software professional that has designed and written operating systems, It is my educated belief that says it is the "design" of Windows that makes it more vulnerable to viruses than OS X.
by thefruitguy October 26, 2009 7:10 AM PDT
oresteia u r a real moron... people use windows because computers are cheaper... macs are a little bit expensive BUT are way better machines than PC, u really don't know the difference between macs and PC's, its not just the OS the hardware works a different way than PC's.
by adamk1101 October 22, 2009 6:24 AM PDT
Been testing the RC of 7 for a while and it's quite the OS. Snow Leopard on the other hand still isn't ready for production environments. Too many bugs are keeping it from being a viable operating system. Looks like the tables have turned with this latest series of operating systems from these two competitors and Windows has reclaimed its spot on top of the OS world.
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by thefruitguy October 26, 2009 7:13 AM PDT
lol snow leopard buggier... you just make my day... when it was release it was labeled "the perfect OS"...

jajajaja

Microsoft windows will always have a cursed... THE BLUE SCREEN!!!!

Don't tell me i'm wrong because i have seen like 100 blue screen for windows 7 this month... its just the big choice of hardware... they CAN'T make a 100% stable OS like apple has done with the Mac OS X
by fruitorseethroughglass October 30, 2009 12:11 AM PDT
Thefruitguy, very good point about the blue screen of death! I hadn't thought of that until now.

The thing is, they each have their faults. No one OS is "perfect." NOW, that doesn't mean they can't be almost perfect. But anyways...

Now, I'm no big smart IT from some big corp, but I am a techno geek. I cant get into minute details, but I expect more from my OS then for it to play solitaire. So, from that point of view, here is my opinion.

I have been a PC my whole life. Really. Everyone in my family was completely against Macintosh and their OS. But, wanting to break the streak, I finally convinced my parents that I wanted a Mac as a replacement computer for my Jr year in HS. They agreed, and I now have a pre-owned MB. My mom now is HIGHLY interested in getting an iMac as a replacement... although we still won't be losing our PC capabilities.... I needed Windows for school, and so I used Bootcamp and set up a partition. Works great. Now, we can't do that with a PC, can we, Hmmm? Point one.

Point two. Faults. Know of constant issues with W7. Yes, it's WAY better than Vista (Vista SUCKS). But it still has its faults. I haven't heard many who haven't complained about it. And then there's OSX; I put leopard on shortly after it was released, and it is (almost) a dream. Really, the ONLY (and this is after how many weeks now?) issue I have had is really my own fault; if I don't reboot immediately after installing some software, the thing freezes up randomly at any time. But a quick reboot or two, and things are great. REALLY. That's it. Point two.

Lastly, nothing can beat Mac support. Even if you don't have Applecare, you are taken care of. I took my new MB in right after I got it, just to check it out and make sure all the HW was running fine (I was having constant freezing issues... every two minutes). We made an appointment, the guy took it, ran a diagnostic on the HW, and reinstalled the OS with OSX. He also installed iLife. He reported that everything checked out fine. My price? the $30 it cost me to buy Snow. Now, how many places can I do that very same thing for a PC, or just for the Windows OS? None? I thought so.

My half a point to add is that Mac does have one downside; there are many more PC compatible programs. But, that is improving, and with Bootcamp, who cares?! I mean, WINDOWS has Office for MAC!!!

And there you have it. Both are fine enough OS. they do their thing. But my winner? The pretty white one :)

Snow Leopard wins.
by yangcenit October 22, 2009 7:18 AM PDT
I've been using windows 7 for a while and I definitely enjoy it. I dont know much about Leopard but I know apple make great softwares. I definitely satisfy with what I have and I know you will too. Is faster than Vista and supports most of the hardwares out there. I am not an artist, I guess I dont need apple ;)
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by NewfieInCali October 22, 2009 7:27 AM PDT
I've had a pc since I was 5 (I'm 30 now) I started on ms dos and have used every version since. Last year I bought a macbook and after a small amount of figuring out the differences with OSX I am very happy with it, I still have to use a pc so I hope that 7 is better than Vista. Vista was one of the main reasons I decided to switch to Mac. Microsoft should offer 7 as a free upgrade for anyone who bought Vista
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by klzjr03 October 22, 2009 7:36 AM PDT
I have been using Windows 7 since the RC came out and I like it. If I were able to install Leopard on a PC then I would try it out, but since apple does not allow that then I can't really say if Leopard is better than Windows 7 or not.
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by bahlung October 24, 2009 5:03 AM PDT
if you compare Leopard you should compare with Vista. and its Far superior than MS Vista. Well Windows 7 is comparable only with Snow Leopard (OSX 10.6 version) and what I found, Snow Leopard is again far better than Win7. Cause the good thing is Snow Leo is stressing more on 64bit computing which I can say will be more benneficial to those who really need the full power of a Computer. Windows 7 is slower than vista. that even researcher have already commented.
by SlaughterMelon October 22, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
One thing that is not mentioned is the software compatibility issues with the Snow Leopard. No games, and not nearly as much free software kind of breaks the deal for me. Of course, this can be remedied with VMWare and such, but that still requires an extra purchase. And of course, on Snow Leopard's side is the whole "no viruses" thing, but Macs do get viruses, and if you're not a COMPLETE IDIOT you will not get viruses very often.
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by gunnerjoe October 22, 2009 7:52 AM PDT
What compatibility issues are you referring to? Most of the popular games are being built on Mac, http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/software/games?mco=MTA4NDAzNjU

Not enough free software, get a glove and get in the game; pretty much every bit of Open Source software for Freebsd and Linux runs on Mac, http://www.finkproject.org/
by honestly_disagreeable October 22, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
Are you serious?! Not as much free software? You do realize Snow Leopard is Unix right?
by gunnerjoe October 22, 2009 7:43 AM PDT
Apple Stock $206 -- Microsoft stock $26.30 and falling.

Hmmmmmm!
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by xaeryan October 22, 2009 9:15 AM PDT
Hmmmm,
Apple market capitalization: 182.69 billion
Microsoft market capitalization: 233.97 billion

Learn a little about the stock market before you spout numbers that can't be compared.
by shycelticwitch October 22, 2009 11:16 AM PDT
@ xaeryan... and you should take a closer look at those numbers and combine them with market share. Apple falls only 50B behind MS, with only around 10% of the market share. That difference will be quite obvious when Apple releases it's next generation of hardware.
by xaeryan October 22, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
@shycelticwitch... yes that certainly does look impressive, but "market share" is hard to quantify in this case. 10% of what? The OS segment? Apple also sells iPods, iPhones, Macs etc., and Microsoft also sells X-Boxes, Zunes, etc.
But that's besides the point, which is that you can't simply compare one company's stock price to another and expect to have a valid conclusion, no matter how similar the companies are.
by cubanico October 26, 2009 6:44 AM PDT
would be more meaningful if Microsoft didn't also own something like 50% of Apple
by JosiahDaniel October 22, 2009 9:01 AM PDT
I've been working with windows for over 10 years. I've tried using windows 7 3 times, and every time it crashed, reboots all the time, an program that work in xp will not work on 7.. It's a 6 month old PC but i think Windows 7 dose not like me... don't get me wrong be I still like xp.
I've been also using Mac for several years know and what kills me is why people still go for windows.. Apple just works. There hardware and software come form the same factory. They can get it right. I've never had a problem with wireless, printer, programs, software.. It just works.. Windows you have to worry about drivers, updates, registry, blue screens and VIRUSES AND MALWARE.. I've been working on PC computer for over 5 year know.. I don't know how much more I can take it.. Down to the hard ware for mac to the software. It doesn't make since why people don't really won't to get a computer that has bullet proof glass materials for the case and a power cord that is magnetic to you can't break the motherboard, I don't know how many times I've seen that on PC's. People are just scared to change form what there use to i guess. But if they don't soon they will spend several hundred dollars in cleaning and repairs for there PC. This just $200-$300 more for a computer that will do it all and last for more than 4 years.. I'm still using my Mac mini to that come out in 04 that is still faster than Windows XP, Vista and I think even 7...
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by exactlyy October 22, 2009 10:42 AM PDT
more lies...even the cnet writers who are cleary MAC fanboys couldnt lie as you do ..they all agreed that windows 7 hasnt crashed even once since it was installed..on the other hand all of them agreed theSL crashed several times and in some cases data was lost .
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT
sl hasn't crashed fully. only the indiv apps crash sometimes.
by BiggyTech October 22, 2009 1:37 PM PDT
First of all BUDDY learn to spell. Seriously you have no argument. All you are saying is crap. You have no valid point, and you probably have no idea on how to take care of a PC. Your argument is empty and you have no facts. So shut the f*** up and come back to me once you get some knowledge and pass your hooked on phonics books.
Thank you!

P.S.
I don't know when was the last time I had the blue screen of death on one of my computers or any client.
Except for those cause by a hard drive crashing. I've been using Windows 7 since RC1 and my computer is working just fine now that I have the RTM ultimate running. What you should do is pick up your PC and go to the nearest 10th floor and just let it drop. It is garbage. I don't know what kind of crap you are using if its only 6 months old and it cant handle Windows 7 but yet I'm pretty sure it came with Windows Vista.
by bham4ever October 22, 2009 9:26 AM PDT
Windows 7 will put the smackdown on Leopard with no problem.
Have been running it for 6 months now, easy to install and runs great.
Once people see this is not a revamp of vista but a complete overhaul and the best windows version yet ...bar non... plus it has great easy to use function, awesome graphics with DX11, more secure but not over secure with pop ups asking you all the time if you really want to do this? I see this as a step in the right direction for Microsoft...the proof is in the podding, so you'll have to taste it to know it.
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by rjpooch October 22, 2009 12:11 PM PDT
Windows 7 may be fantastic, I hope for the sake of my friends who were let down by Vista that it is. I'll never know first hand. I do not understand PCs and have never used one. I am a true product of my enviornment. I can only use a Mac, because that is all I have ever used. The new Mac OS does have its problems and necessary tweeks, like they all have.

I've never understood the die-hard mentality from either camp. But as a point of clarity as the discussion is based as a "Prize-Fight" numbers of purchased products make no difference.

The number of fans rooting for one fighter over another has no bearing on the outcome. Hell I'd bet more people ate cheeseburgers last night than a fine steak, and that doesn't mean that the burger is a finer cut of beef. It just means that more people ate it.
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by mathome88 October 22, 2009 12:17 PM PDT
all that are using leopard log in to your guest account.
evil little prank he-he.
Well I hop they fix that problem I would love a to have OS X but they don't have it for my PC and they have a small market the reason why you don't get much viruses and most Computer users don't want to spend a thousand dollars for something they'll just use for facebook and emails.
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by n25philly October 22, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
and they wonder why so many idiot fanboys post here...
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by mathome88 October 22, 2009 12:24 PM PDT
all that are using leopard log in to your guest account.
evil little prank he-he.
Well I hop they fix that problem I would love a to have OS X but they don't have it for my PC and they have a small market the reason why you don't get much viruses and most Computer users don't want to spend a thousand dollars for something they'll just use for facebook and emails.
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by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
they fixed it in 10.6.2 which has already been seeded to devs.
by October 22, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
Why do these things always degrade to pissing matches? What would be more entertaining is people actually reviewing and giving their pro & con of each. Stop playing into the marketing hands and be objective! =)
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by auscop October 23, 2009 3:04 AM PDT
I do agree that most of the folk sling BS have not used both OSs. All though I am now a fan of OS X I do agree both OSs have their place. I have used over 7 different OSs in my IT jobs and I do think OS X is in the top few... above MS.
by Gold_Storm_Mac October 22, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
snow leopard should have won by a larger margin. especially with features and interface. i want to see a prizefight where they compare the whole os as opposed to just what you get in the upgrades.
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