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September 8, 2009 8:08 AM PDT

Norton calls on Quorum for 2010

by Seth Rosenblatt
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Symantec is betting heavily that program behavior is the future battlefront of security and is making a big push in its 2010 security program lineup with a behavioral engine called Quorum.

Debuting Wednesday, both the basic Norton AntiVirus 2010 and the more robust Norton Internet Security 2010 will use Quorum, which Symantec is calling an advanced security network based both on traditional malware signatures and on reputation for both files and software.

This screenshot is from the Norton Internet Security 2010 beta, though it's not expected to change drastically in the final version. This shows the Norton Insight screen.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

The Quorum system uses the uniqueness of mutating malware against the threat itself, said Dan Nadir, director of product management for Norton AntiVirus and Norton Internet Security. Multiple variations of a single threat have become a potential risk to the efficacy of definition-based antivirus, so a system like Quorum--in which the unfamiliarity of a new threat becomes the tool by which the threat is neutralized--could drastically improve security programs.

Symantec noted that it hasn't abandoned last year's pledge to improve Norton's performance, and it is keeping the quick scan to about one minute. An in-progress scan conducted with the beta version used about 70MB of RAM, while the program used about 15.5 MB when idle. Symantec also exposes how much memory the program is using in the main pane. Symantec says that in the final version, Norton users should expect to see working memory usage at less than 10 MB, and that the "quick scan" should be completed in 64 seconds.

The Quorum technology is designed to expose system and threat-detection data, so users who want more than just "set-it-and-forget-it" information can customize Norton's responses. The Insight Network incorporates Quorum and uses statistical analysis of file attributes to judge the trustworthiness of a file. Norton Threat Insight provides information on detected threats, such as the URL of a threat. Norton System Insight uncovers system information and can be used to detect system slowdowns. Norton Download Insight uses Symantec's cloud data to determine the safety of a downloaded file before it runs.

The more robust Norton Internet Security includes new enterprise-level antispam algorithms, which Symantec says shouldn't require any "training" from users. These have been incorporated from Brightmail, a company that Symantec bought more than five years ago. Norton Internet Security also includes OnlineFamily.Norton, Symantec's new parental control system, and Norton SafeWeb, which is a search results and e-commerce rating component.

Norton Internet Security 2010 costs $69.99 for a three-PC license, and Norton AntiVirus 2010 is $39.99 for one computer.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.
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by September 8, 2009 9:00 AM PDT
Looks like a great upgrade, I am happy to see Symantec taking notice of how many system resources their software has been known hog.
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by willyak September 8, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
Since 2009 their product has been very light.
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT
Maybe someday it will be safe to return to the Windows platform. Until then, I cannot take the chance of losing all my data. I will use any alternative available. So far, no problems since leaving Windows entirely.
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by September 8, 2009 9:06 AM PDT
Oh give me a break, Windows it fine; I have used it since it came to market and never lost data.
Granted I have had a virus or two but that is life; get over yourself
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 9:14 AM PDT
Whatever. It only takes one catastrophic loss of data. I have had two. I was on the Windows platform for 15 years. I paid big money to protect myself. Since I finally had enough, I haven't had a single problem and my expenditures have been cut in half. Feel free to continue down that path. I hope you never end up on the losing side of the constant battle. It's painful and expensive.
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10346664-83.html
by cnet_user_0 September 8, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
Geez Man! You're biggest mistake was not that you were on the Windows platform BUT that you spent a lot of cash on securing your system.

What you should be securing is just your data and let Windows secure itself. If you learned to work with standard user privileges in Windows, then you should not have had any virus/malware attacks.

Windows Vista/7 both work in the background with standard user privileges from the start and only give administrative privileges to those applications that the user allows. That's why Windows Vista/7 are more secure.

(And how can you compare your 15 years of experience in Windows vs. 4 months (or so) of experience on another system?)
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/07/inside_mac_os_x_snow_leopard_malware_protection.html
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
There are those that will continue to use the system that is most often exploited no matter what. I am not one of them. Goodbye Windows. I will not miss you.
by Mergatroid Mania September 8, 2009 11:26 AM PDT
What a nut case. We have been using Windows since Windows 3.1. We have always been careful to protect ourselves, and have NEVER gotten a virus of any kind.

Most likely your problem is visiting malware infested web sites. a high-risk behaviour. Or downloading from an un trustworthy web site.

I find it funny how some people blame the o/s for their own mistakes. It's like getting the flu and blaming the people who make your soap.
by saintsadvocate September 8, 2009 11:45 AM PDT
I completely agree. I can't afford to buy a legit mac so i've rigged up a hackintosh, and even with the slight problems i have with a hacked mac; I will never go back to Windows, period.
by WinNoMo September 8, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
@Mergatroid Mania

So because you haven't had any problems running Windows, I'm a nut case? And to be clear, I am not blaming the OS. I am blaming the exploits that target that specific OS. I tried to protect myself from the exploits, but got burned in a big way. Twice. So I've decided to avoid using the target of those exploits. Which is Windows. So far, my experience has been great since making the change. Makes me wonder why I didn't do it sooner. I am glad you haven't had the same problems. I hope your luck continues. Fact remains, other platforms are experiencing less real world exploits. Period.
by kojacked September 8, 2009 12:38 PM PDT
I've used Windows for 15 years too and aside from installing an antivirus program I haven't gone out of my way to protect my computers. This whole Windows vs. Apple vs. Linux thing is a big "whatever". The only real loosers here are the idoits who scream "you suck, ours is better". Who cares...
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by RockaTech September 8, 2009 10:27 AM PDT
Will they have this Quorum system in place for Norton 360 as well? because I'm looking to upgrade to that or I guess Norton 2010
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by azadam24 September 8, 2009 4:28 PM PDT
Quorom will be incorporated into Norton 360 4.0 when it is released early next year, if not sooner via LiveUpdate. Since subscribers with existing subscriptions will get 360 4.0 for free when it is released, you might consider just buying another license key now to extend your 360 subscription. If you are a Costco member, they have a great deal running now through the end of September online only at costco.com. You can buy Norton 360 Premier (the main advantage of this product is you get a whopping 25GB of online backup included for your 3 license keys) for just $59.99 with free shipping. That's forty bucks off the normal price! So you'll extend your current subscription by a year, get version 4.0 for free when it's released at no charge, and 25GB of online backup to boot! Not a bad deal!
by RockaTech September 8, 2009 6:44 PM PDT
@azadam
yeah thats why I wanted to get Norton 360 because I seen that deal on Costco but I wasn't sure if the Quorom system would be in it. Thanks!
by siwalker September 8, 2009 7:36 PM PDT
Out of the millions of people that use windows,there is bound to be the unlucky ones.To lose all your data twice is either very unlucky,or very careless.I've lost data,but it's always been down to hard drive problems,not the os.So it can easily happen on any os.I'm pretty sure from my experience with other people,the hard drive is usually the cause of major data loss
by inachu1 September 8, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
I used to open exe files using a hex editor and many times people put BMP picture files instead of smaller faster image types. Pretty sad it took them this long to figure these simple things out.

I have tried antivirus 2009 and it was a lot faster. :-)
Can't wait to get 2010.
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by DjSmoov918 September 8, 2009 11:17 AM PDT
It would be nice if this is an upgrade from 360 (which I just purchased), hope I don't have to fork out another $70 bucks...
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by Mergatroid Mania September 8, 2009 11:27 AM PDT
Good stuff. We have been using Norton for years without any problems at all. I hope this makes their product even better.
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by P_F_M September 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
A few bumps along the way but the latest beta works very well with Windows 7 (64) and is highly recommended. This from someone who had sworn off Symantec bloatware for quite a while...
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by shanedr September 8, 2009 12:09 PM PDT
Statements like, "keeping the quick scan to about one minute" make me wonder if they're cutting corners. How are they keeping the scan to one minute? Are they just limiting how deep the scan goes or have they improved the speed of the scan? The former is scary, but the latter would be reassuring.
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by jasonlaminx September 8, 2009 12:26 PM PDT
well... i used the beta version before. the program crashed right after my computer shut down by itself for no reason and out of sudden.

norton should repair the problem so they can stabilise themselves rather crashing together with windows.
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by P_F_M September 8, 2009 12:27 PM PDT
DjSmoov918:

Another $70 bucks? Fry's has the 3 user subscription for NIS 2009 for free after rebates. 2010 will be made available to current subscribers via download shortly after release. Read the rebates before you purchase.

http://www.frys.com/product/5723572?
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by SactoGuy018 September 8, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
I'm using NIS 2009 right now and I find it fast and seamless when it comes to dealing with malware. I'll find out how can I upgrade to NIS 2010, especially since I recently renewed by yearly NIS subscription and upgraded from NIS 2008 to 2009.
by JorgeS18 September 9, 2009 2:32 AM PDT
You can upgrade your license of NIS 2009 for free . I renewed my license for Norton Internet Security 2009 in early July and managed to upgrade to NIS 2010 for free. What you have to do is go to https://www.mynortonaccount.com/
and log in, on the right side of the page that shows the programs you have registered there should be that says update, it will jump to another page that will ask you to download a script that will scan your computer for your installed programs, if you have NIS 2009 as I did it should let you download the 2010 version and give you a key to register it.
by willyak September 8, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
I honestly think that they need to put more work into the interface. After the 2009 version this looks awful! I have tested this against some malware on my VM. The behavioral guards and the download protection come in very handy as long as you know what you are doing.
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by SoftwareGuy September 8, 2009 3:36 PM PDT
I still say Norton Sucks.
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by monster_eater123 September 9, 2009 11:27 PM PDT
I have to agree . I have seen too many machines trashed by Norton. My uncle had a mahcine running 2009 and somehow he got a trojan and took it to some pc repair place and paid like $60 to have it manually removed all because Norton didn't want to do anything about the file .... the way my uncle described it .... it sounded like Norton was like "well i found a thing over here ... and ... Im not goin near that thing."
by mectron September 8, 2009 4:18 PM PDT
Norton use to SUCK, but not anymore, since version 09 it is fast, efficient, compact and offer great protection.

Moving to another platform is realy a dum move. as the "other" plateform gain in polularity, they will in time become target, but as opposed to windows, the "other: hace no experience dealing with maleware

And finaly not making regular backup as nothing todo with the OS or virus.
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by bozotheclown138 September 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT
haha norton has one of the worst scanners ive ever seen go kaspersky or eset nod smart security, or go with none and just get a good firewall
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by TheRyan95 September 8, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
Norton Bashers, please try the product before bashing...plz Or go bash McAfee instead for its conservative-ness on its security software. Which I do often.
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by djnv September 8, 2009 5:48 PM PDT
ya no thanks, i'll stick with Avira Antivir & Threatfire...which Threatfire running btw, for some reason, releases an extra 200+MB of memory...me likey!!
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by hjlm September 8, 2009 6:21 PM PDT
Norton?? I've already tested the most common and best antiviruses with their pro versions such as avira, bittdefender, kaspersky, avast and norton. My first choice is bitdefender IS 2010, second is kaspersky IS 2010, this one makes the pc slow though, third choice is esed nod32, then trend micro and avira premium and finally avast pro. Regarding free antiviruses are not recommended according to my experience...
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by shekhar9 September 8, 2009 7:27 PM PDT
I have used NIS 2007 and NOD 32 on one of my PCs. I found that NOD 32 was far better than NIS 2007. Though, NIS 2009 was giving tough competition to NOD 32 4.0 (in my personal analysis), but NOD was the winner. Norton products are little unstable.

I will put my money on NOD 32 and looking forward to test NIS 2010.

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by siwalker September 8, 2009 7:40 PM PDT
I do find anvir one of the best all round,with nod next.And i've tried all of the major ones.Kapersky good,but too much slowdown when u run stuff.A mix of avira security suite and winpatrol i use at the mo,and am quite happy
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by paulej September 8, 2009 9:05 PM PDT
I see a patent coming here. And what does it really do? It probably patents software that behaves in certain ways... like trying to write into the Windows system directory or some such with software that's not signed. I've got a feeling this is not terribly impressive. But, perhaps it is more elaborate than what I think.

I've been using NAV for years and years. But, it is not without flaws. Over the years, I've had false positives. When I presented those to Norton, the replies I got (and I swear) were that "if Norton AV detected a file was a virus, it was." In each case, the false postitives were eventually addressed, but I guess only after enough people complain.

And for a while the current NAV would cause Explorer to lock up cutting and pasting PDF files over the network. It took about 4 months before that was fixed, if memory serves.

With all of the quasi-negative comments, though, I'll also say that I've been largely pleased with NAV. Aside from the PDF issue, performance has not been a problem and I've never had a virus on my machine. Whether I can thank NAV for that or not, I don't know.

That said, it concerns me that they're going to change what has largely worked. How many more false positives will we have now? The false positives are extremely disruptive to work, so this really scares me.
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