July 31, 2009 7:49 PM PDT

Windows 7 RTM reviewed

by Seth Rosenblatt
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Windows 7 is more than Vista done right, but you can't deny that it's based on Microsoft's embattled operating system. Despite improvements made over two service packs, users never took to Windows Vista.

Although the Windows 7 release candidate is still available for consumers to try out, the final version of Windows 7 aims to fix both perceived and real flaws from its predecessor. The appeal of the new interface is undeniable, and should compete well against Apple's OS X, but even with modern features like native touch-screen support does Windows 7 actually best XP? Read the full review and find out.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.

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by Mr. Dee July 31, 2009 8:09 PM PDT
Did you actually use the final product or did you just hurry something quick in WordPad so you can say you are one of the first to write the RTM review of 'Windows 7'?
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by sbrickell July 31, 2009 8:28 PM PDT
Seriously, WTFV.

The guy states up front in the video that this is the final release candidate and not the RTM.
by Random_Walk August 1, 2009 8:53 AM PDT
Agreed, actually... the RTM isn't available until August 6th at the absolute earliest (MPLS, TechNet, MSDN), so unless you got a "special" early-release edition, this ain't RTM.

...and if the latter, IMHO a "special" edition sounds too much like the vendor trick of giving reviewers one copy tweaked to impress, and the rest of the world gets something less, err, 'reviewable'. (google for "quack.exe", and stand back...)
by shdwsclan August 1, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
RTM ? Yeah right.....

Again, the classic mode is all messed up.....
Again, there is NO BLUETOOTH STAC
Again, i do not want to PERSONALIZE, i want the PROPTIES.

If I wanted a mac, i'd get a mac.......
I guess this is why my company is completely switching to linux when 7 is released.....
by Random_Walk August 3, 2009 6:40 AM PDT
"I guess this is why my company is completely switching to linux when 7 is released."

...what, you don't like dedicating a whole server just to license key management? :)
by shellcodes_coder July 31, 2009 8:38 PM PDT
LOL, you guys are reviewing the 32-bit version of Windows 7 when you should be reviewing the 64-bit version of 7 which outperforms 32-bit version of 7. And where's the review for Ultimate edition?
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by IanX211 August 4, 2009 5:46 PM PDT
LOL at you, thinking everybody who uses computers have an 64-bit OS installed on their computer
by MickBurke July 31, 2009 8:46 PM PDT
What a joke. When you actually get the RTM let me know.
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by boji55 August 1, 2009 8:09 AM PDT
I have it since 13 of july. and its activated. Its x64 with 5g's of ram and it has not crashed once only problem was the drivers for my video card x1600 but i installed dna's hacked drivers and it worked fine
by huckleberry2703 July 31, 2009 9:45 PM PDT
how can you say a review of the RTM. Please save yourself so creditability and remove this. There is already a thousand reviews of the RC but at least they know they are reviewing the RC.
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by SEXYDIVERGUY July 31, 2009 10:03 PM PDT
RTM ? How? The only way to get an RTM is to be a manufacturer like Dell or download it from some peer to peer network with the OEM key that was recently leaked...Technet does not even have it yet.

At least Seth does mention that it's the RC..But with that said it's really old news to the millions of beta testers of the of the Beta release last winter.
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by srosenblatt August 1, 2009 12:18 AM PDT
Just so there's no confusion here: The written review
http://reviews.cnet.com/windows/microsoft-windows-7-professional/4505-3672_7-33704140.html
is of the official RTM version of Windows 7. The benchmarking and all final tests were done on that licensed, official, Microsoft-approved install of the RTM. We would never claim a review to be based on an official version if it wasn't.

The video was shot using the RC, because the feature set had been locked down by that point. I've double-checked what I shot in the video against the RTM, and nothing reported there has changed as far as I can tell. If you find something that's not as reported in the video, please let me know.
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by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 12:52 AM PDT
What about 64-bit? Well just like Vista x64 which out performed Vista x86, you guys should be actually reviewing 7 x64 or both
by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 12:59 AM PDT
You guys should add reviews of 7 x64 too
by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 8:08 AM PDT
Why are you guys comparing 7 with XP? XP is an 8 year old OS which gave crap about security. Defender, more services etc in 7 which eat more CPU cycle will def. give advantage to XP. All those anti-exploit mitigation like ASLR, heap encryption, isolation mode etc ie, much more improved security comparing to XP and features are enough to drive people away from XP. If it's so then wouldn't it be fare to compare XP with 95? Windows 95 will install in less than 5 seconds and booting takes less than 10 seconds and talk about XP; it's takes more than an hour to install XP and booting--about 20-x seconds. Just my 2 cents
by windooor7 August 1, 2009 3:55 PM PDT
The only suspicious element is that 100mb set aside during Installation and if you are not careful during uninstallation.it stays there. I still Rate window server 2008 r2 higher and faster. One recomendation is that Get home premium. it spin circles around any vista version.. But i still miss vista public folders more Drawers, more room to store socks. i wish media center was optional.everyone uses itunes untill microphone comes out. and force you to use media player on mac to sync it.
by Mr. Dee August 1, 2009 8:17 PM PDT
You can remove Windows 7 Media Center using the improved Turn Windows Features on or off component. Features and components like Windows Search, DVD Maker, Media Player, IE are all optional.
by Random_Walk August 2, 2009 8:03 AM PDT
"Why are you guys comparing 7 with XP? "

...because even Microsoft is damned eager to get folks away from XP, and comparing the two helps provide the information that the XP users want and need.

Geez - if you're gonna be a fanboy, at least stop and think for a moment... maybe your celebs in Redmond want folks to compare the two and go for Windows 7.
by Dango517 August 4, 2009 4:38 AM PDT
Why are you ducking and dodging your own review?

http://reviews.cnet.com/windows/microsoft-windows-7-professional/4505-3672_7-33704140.html?tag=mncol;txt

We all smell a rat. You guys better stop before you get burned.
by PrimalZed August 4, 2009 6:43 AM PDT
@Dango517: I don't see what you're trying to say. They are linking to their own review from a blog, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't know what you mean by 'ducking and dodging' the review. That makes it sound like they're avoiding the review, not promoting it. How would they get "burned" in this circumstance?

Perhaps you simply didn't see that there is a link provided to the review you linked in this blog post?
by trekwiz August 1, 2009 12:47 AM PDT
In a few months, I may be buying a new laptop. I've been looking forward to Windows 7 because I've wanted to avoid Vista, but after your review, I'm wondering if perhaps I should just pay the upcharge for XP.

Is it possible to set Windows 7 (why's it 7, anyway? That's well below the current version number...) to use the classic taskbar? I never did like the Mac doc, the style just doesn't do it for me whatsoever. Is it locked to the top of the screen, or can it be moved to the bottom? Is it possible to disable popup program previews on the new taskbar? Seems like a waste of system resources for a "feature" that's just going to slow down my multitasking.

Is it possible to disable program stacking? (3 instances of, say, IE, appearing as one instance in the taskbar.) Also, when viewing the contents of a harddrive, is everything "out in the open" like in XP and previous, or are things less obvious a la Vista? Is "Shut down" hidden within a submenu of the start menu as in Vista, or is it out in the open like in XP? Does Windows 7 have those annoying security popups every time you want to change a system setting?

Thanks,
-Joe
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by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 12:54 AM PDT
Dude, your answer is YES. 7 can be configured to use classic taskbar. When classic theme is activated you won't see those taskbar previews etc. And it's very easy to disable UAC.
by trekwiz August 1, 2009 1:01 AM PDT
Awesome. Thanks!
by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 1:48 AM PDT
And the taskbar can be aligned to the left/right/top/bottom, though by default it's aligned to the bottom of the screen. It's all about customization. Unfortunately os x ain't that customizable is it? :P
by assman August 1, 2009 5:38 AM PDT
The new taskbar is outstanding.. you should try it out. Everything you mentioned is completely customizable. Shut down is out in the open.. but I think it was in Vista too as far as I can remember.

Also the CNET review gave it a 9/10 score, so installing XP on the laptop isn't necessary.
by ballmerisanape August 1, 2009 8:44 AM PDT
@shellcodes_coder

"And the taskbar can be aligned to the left/right/top/bottom, though by default it's aligned to the bottom of the screen. It's all about customization. Unfortunately os x ain't that customizable is it? :P"

Of course it is.. have you even used the Mac OS?

I'll give you this.. you can't pin it at the top... but you can put it anywhere else.. You can also create custom start menus by creating a folder with shortcuts and pinning it to the dock along with your preferred applications.

In addition, you can change the docks file display behavior. If you want to get crazy.. there are plenty of free utilities that allow more advanced customization.

I'm not going to diss 7 until i've actually used it.. you should try using the Mac OS for more than 5 minutes at Best Buy before you decide to hate it. The irrational hatred of Apple is puzzling to me.... especially if people can't even base their hatred off of experience.
by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 9:23 AM PDT
@ballmerisanape:

"Of course it is.. have you even used the Mac OS?"
Yes, I have

"ll give you this.. you can't pin it at the top"
Windows 7's taskbar can be aligned to the left/top/right/bottom!!

LOL
by Kornbeef August 1, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
@ shell

You can pin the dock to the left and right as well, you obviously haven't tried it...
by Kornbeef August 1, 2009 9:34 AM PDT
Oh I miss read that line, my bad :P
by ballmerisanape August 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT
shellcodes_coder.. you can pin it to the top?? OMG that so Awesome!!!!! That totally makes up for MS being 5 years late to the modern OS game!! Thanks MS!
by trekwiz August 1, 2009 11:20 AM PDT
@Shellcodes: Oooo...I love customization. Macs can be customized...but that doesn't make up for the fact that the OS is ugly, and clunky to use. ...really, whoever though it would be valid to be able to eject a disc by dragging it to the trash can? lol

@Assman: Vista hides the shutdown behind an arrow. You open the start menu, mouse-over the arrow, then click shutdown. I found that extra step to be a bit of a nuisance. (I avoided owning Vista--I only had to deal with it when my mom, sister, or grandma needed computer help.)

@ballmerisanape: My hatred for Macs do come from experience. I've had to use them quite a bit, but especially in the classroom years ago. My web design class used Macs because the instructors preferred that version of Photoshop. My video editing class used Macs because the college only had Final Cut, not Adobe Premiere. When I created a class to shoot a movie, I chose to use the Final Cut lab because my own computer was far too slow to efficiently run Premiere Pro in time to complete the work. And currently I work at two video production companies--one, thankfully, is a PC office, but the other uses Macs. I'm really not a fan; I can usually do the same things in fewer steps in Windows.
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by FF2009 August 1, 2009 4:15 AM PDT
people will actually pay $300 to buy Vista twice?


M$ is the biggest rip off scamming artist in the world.


LOL
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by shellcodes_coder August 1, 2009 4:40 AM PDT
You are the dumbest ignorant troll here

LOL
by assman August 1, 2009 5:39 AM PDT
I agree with shellcodes

LOL
by lazycat202 August 1, 2009 7:48 AM PDT
you took my words first. i've nothing else to say.
LOL
by mysteriousgypsy August 1, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
@shellcodes

It's hilarious that you are calling someone else "the dumbest troll here."
by Mr. Dee August 1, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
Better than an OS named Linux that is incompatible with the rest of the world or the famous Paris Hilton Collection gimmick called Mac OS Poor eXcuse which has released nothing put patches since March 2001.
by kelmon August 2, 2009 8:13 AM PDT
Well done, people, you have successfully recreated the school yard by all talking utter nonsense in protection of your preferred platform and ignored the facts in a discussion that really doesn't matter. All sides should be ashamed of themselves.
by santuccie August 3, 2009 8:31 PM PDT
@FF2009:

There are significant differences between Vista and Windows 7, including speed and compatibility (some claim it's more stable as well).

That said, how different is Leopard from Tiger, or Jaunty Jackalope from Intrepid Ibex? Guess you can't think that far ahead with a one-track mind. Cheap shot!
by dennisheadley August 1, 2009 4:53 AM PDT
Why is everyone screaming Review the x64 version! you shouldn't be reviewing the x86 version!

This release is Microsoft's answer to all the people that stayed with XP and didn't upgrade to Vista, or even downgraded to XP from Vista.

The average consumer they are looking to sell their upgrade to is running some Dell/Gateway/HP system that they picked up three or four years ago, probably has a celeron or semperon processor and is going to be running the x86 version. I'm sure the number of 32 bit installations of windows dwarfs the x64 installations. Even allot of new computers that came with Vista and 64 bit processors came with the x86 version installed and you had to send off for the x64 disks from Microsoft if you wanted them. Same with upgrade packages from XP to Vista, unless you got ultimate the home versions you had to send away for the x64 disks.

You can't say only test the top of the line version and then thats what you use for the whole family products.
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by Renegade Knight August 2, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
This should the answer to Vista's failure. XP was solid. The product that replaces it should be more so. Vista showed how you could improve an OS interface over XP but fell short on doing the job.
by vamman August 1, 2009 6:47 AM PDT
Wow I never saw a CNet review of the wrong product before. And it even includes some more Vista bashing and comparisons to Mac. Vista runs fine on my home machine which isn't even high end hardware anymore. Go back to playing with your aqua apple!
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by shurbetr August 1, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
Oh look, it's the Windows 7 RC review with some a new lead paragraph with a few more sentences about how bad Vista was! How frakking lame are you dude?
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by Proximajoe August 1, 2009 8:54 AM PDT
"Still put out a stable and robust operating system"? Well the objectivity of this review just went out the window!
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by monkeyfun14 August 1, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
Nice trying troll but i've had more lockups on the OSX boxes at my school than the Vista machine at home. That says something.
by ballmerisanape August 2, 2009 5:46 AM PDT
Not really. Your comparing the stability of a public-use computer to your own baby.
by cwflink August 1, 2009 12:23 PM PDT
Very pleased with 64 bit version. Suprised you did not performance test this version.

NOTE: big improvements in Media Center for HDTV over the air.

Also pleased with W7 finding the drivers I needed for tuners and other devices (e.g. Media Center remote control for my Asus desktop).
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by srosenblatt August 4, 2009 11:29 AM PDT
Oh, we're testing it. But since most Windows users are using 32-bit, and we had those benchmarks completed first, we felt it was enough to run them ASAP. I'll be adding the x64 benchmarks as soon as the CNET Labs are done with them, hopefully in a day or two.
by Lennron August 1, 2009 12:34 PM PDT
How many damn times are they going to post this same video anyways?
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by PrimalZed August 4, 2009 6:34 AM PDT
As often as needed while it's still relevant? Not CNet reader necessarily reads every article that is spit out.
by Orion Blastar August 1, 2009 3:27 PM PDT
I would like to see a compatibility list of applications that work on Windows 7 that are considered legacy software.

Lotus Smart Suite 97 and Millennium edition for example had problems running in Windows Vista but ran on Windows XP with little issues. For people who bought into the IBM Lotus software they want to know if the new OS will support their office suite of choice. IBM had to abandon Smart Suite in exchange for making IBM Lotus Symphony because it is based on OpenOffice.Org and uses the new ODF Open Document format that every open source company is trying to migrate towards. With every new version of Windows broke IBM Lotus Smart Suite, which seemed to be on propose to drive people to buy MS-Office instead of IBM Lotus Smart Suite. There are many other legacy software besides Lotus Smartsuite like Wordperfect Office and many others. Many companies refuse to upgrade to new versions of Windows because they have legacy software that won't work on Vista or Windows 7.

Microsoft's own software like Visual Studio 2002 and 2003 won't work on Vista or Windows 7, forcing companies to upgrade to 2005, 2008, or the new 2010 versions. Visual Studio 6.0 works but has minor issues and needs to be SP6 in order to be installed and working properly. There was a lot of software written for older versions of Visual Studio that needs major rewrites to work with the newer versions and a lot of companies don't have the money, time, or resources to rewrite the software to work with Vista and Windows 7. I guess they will use the XP Virtual Machine to run legacy software, but even that has issues and isn't 100% compatible with Windows XP Pro and under.
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by Mr. Dee August 1, 2009 8:15 PM PDT
If you need to run key legacy applications like the ones you mentioned, just install the free Windows Virtual XP Mode for Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate. I am running Hallmark Card Studio 1.0, Printshop 5.0 and Microsoft PhotoDraw 2.0 with it.
by Inconnux August 1, 2009 9:28 PM PDT
and theres the problem, you need to have professional, enterprise or ultimate. Many home systems (mine included) would love to have XP compatibility since most software is still designed to run under XP. I will upgrade my Vista system, but my XP desktop is staying with XP for compatibility reasons.
by w8imurm8 August 2, 2009 5:06 PM PDT
Not sure if this would work for all legacy software built for XP or Win 2K but can't you Left click, Properties, Compatibility, then to what ever operating system it was native for. I have several programs that I have needed to do this for and it works very effectively. just some i need to do it to every file in the folder so it can be problematic.
by queticomn August 2, 2009 9:03 AM PDT
"Windows 7 is more than Vista done right" I love that lead off, basically i says to me windows 7 is a windows vista service pack.

lol.
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by gidstelios August 4, 2009 3:17 AM PDT
Agreed.

I run Windows Vista and formerly was using Windows XP.

Windows XP are more flexible and easy to use for an average user like my grandmother. Vista are a more polished version of windows and believe me after installing sp2 they became stable too.

Windows 7, on the other hand, yes I believe they will be like a SP3 or something for Windows Vista. They will cover many compatibility issues that Vista failed to complete.
by PrimalZed August 4, 2009 6:37 AM PDT
A common criticism I see of Windows 7 is that it's just a "fixed" version of Vista. The comment you quote is simply addresing that critism head-on. They are saying that it is NOT just "Vista done right." If it WAS, then you'd have a valid point saying that it's little more than an SP they expect people to pay for.

This paragraph from the actual review illustrates the point nicely:
"Although the look of Windows 7 may seem to be nothing more than some polish applied liberally to the Vista Aero theme, make no mistake: This is a full replacement operating system, and more than just "Vista done right." From driver support to multitouch groundwork for the future, from better battery management to the most easy-to-use interface Microsoft has ever had, Windows 7 is hardly half-baked. "
by arttyyo August 2, 2009 5:26 PM PDT
CNET has many good writers, but you can't deny that the articles written by these writers are often comprised of words used by bad writers...
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by gbrewster August 4, 2009 9:57 PM PDT
"Windows 7 looks like the OS that we all been waiting for"
Isn't that exactly what they said about VISTA?

I know one thing for sure it will be a cold day in hell before I or my company pays $250 per computer to upgrade to the latest Microsoft OS.

$249.99 Windows Vista Ultimate + $219.99 Windows 7 Ultimate Upgrade = Some what stable OS that still can't compete with Leopard. Sure might as well get back on the Microsoft band wagon.
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by PrimalZed August 5, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
I wasn't keeping up with tech news when Vista came out, so I have no idea what they said about it.

Why are you buying the Ultimate version? Why would you buy Vista and upgrade it to Windows 7, when a) current Vista purchases come with a free 7 upgrade voucher and b) you can just buy 7 when it comes out? There's a blog post or something floating around CNet dated Aug 4th that is titled along the lines of "Only suckers pay retail." You might want to look into it.

Based on this review and other comments I've heard form people who are using it, 7 is very stable, not "somewhat" stable. I don't see why it "can't compete" with Leopard.

It's not like I'm a Microsoft fanboy by any means. I just don't like people on the hate-everything-Microsoft band wagon.
by oby3000 August 5, 2009 6:23 PM PDT
ok i have been using the beta before it was even a beta (torrents)and i have a ***** old 2003 pc with 512 ram 2.8 cpu and compared to xp (by duel booting)not that my xp had problems it is in tip top shape but i found win 7 was far more responsive than my xp ever was and that's because win 7 uses resources way better. on my xp it would always go over my ram limit and start using the hard drive all the time like it didn't dump the old stuff or something and with win 7 it stayed at a good 300-400 range when using the same programs as i did in xp . i didn't have aero on but still xp doesn't even have aero . and i know if u have a higher end machine xp wont use the power that it has to its full potential. xp does not have very good support for multi cores. win 7 is built with multi cores and all the latest tech in mind . ha when xp was made no one had more than one core so why would they of put support in for them even in a service pack it wouldn't be as good as if it were baked right in. just dont keep going back to xp stay away from vista if u want but trust me win 7 is the best os i have seen from Microsoft . it hasn't crashed once since i have been running it and no problems so far.
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by oby3000 August 5, 2009 6:27 PM PDT
ok i have been using the beta before it was even a beta (torrents)and i have a ***** old 2003 pc with 512 ram 2.8 cpu and compared to xp (by duel booting)not that my xp had problems it is in tip top shape but i found win 7 was far more responsive than my xp ever was and that's because win 7 uses resources way better. on my xp it would always go over my ram limit and start using the hard drive all the time like it didn't dump the old stuff or something and with win 7 it stayed at a good 300-400 range when using the same programs as i did in xp . i didn't have aero on but still xp doesn't even have aero . and i know if u have a higher end machine xp wont use the power that it has to its full potential. xp does not have very good support for multi cores. win 7 is built with multi cores and all the latest tech in mind . ha when xp was made no one had more than one core so why would they of put support in for them even in a service pack it wouldn't be as good as if it were baked right in. just dont keep going back to xp stay away from vista if u want but trust me win 7 is the best os i have seen from Microsoft . it hasn't crashed once since i have been running it and no problems so far.
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