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Safari 4 fast, but only minor tweaks from beta

by Seth Rosenblatt

Updated, June 17: The sandboxing of plug-ins, such as Flash, in Safari 4 will be limited to users running Mac OS X 10.6, which will be available this fall. The feature is currently not available, nor will it be available to Windows users. Windows users should also note that changing the default search provider is limited to either Google or Yahoo.

The public version of Safari 4 was released Monday amid all the iPhone noise at WWDC, and Apple confirmed what those who played around with the beta version already knew: Safari is now a serious browser for serious Windows users, and its position on Macs has been bolstered.

You can download Safari 4 for Windows and Mac from CNET Download.com.

If you're unfamiliar with Safari 4, I strongly recommend checking out Stephen Shankland's analysis of the Safari beta version that was released in January. The biggest overall changes are the graphics improvements, including the new interface and the new JavaScript engine called Nitro, but since the beta little else is dramatically different.

Users of Safari 3 will be hard-pressed to not notice that the interface is completely new, with a look and feel much more in line with the other major Webkit-based browser, Google Chrome. The browser launches with the menu bar, tab bar, and status bar all hidden, presenting you with the location bar, bookmark bar, and the slick Top Sites interface. Top Sites is essentially Opera's Speed Dial feature, presenting your most commonly visited Web sites, with a Cover Flow-style skin. The black background, curvature, and reflective window bottom make this the most professional-looking Web browser around. A blue star and an upturned corner indicate that a site has been updated since your last visit to it. Tap the Edit button in the bottom left corner to remove a site or pin a site permanently to Top Sites.

One major change to the interface from the beta involves tabs. In the beta, Apple experimented with a Chrome-style "tabs-on-top" that it has abandoned in the public release. The font for the tabs was often hard to read, and made Safari look excessively like Chrome. The new tab style now looks much like the old tab style.

Safari's visual speed dial is one of the new browser's best features--if your system is new enough.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

Cover Flow is now available as a graphic way to browse your bookmarks and history, however, if you've got a somewhat older computer you still won't be able to use any of these graphics improvements.

Another new change for Mac users in Snow Leopard will be the sandboxing of browser crashes caused by plug-ins such as Flash and Shockwave. The page that they're on will continue to function, and you can reactivate the plug-in by reloading the page.

Safari 4 is also the first nonbeta browser to fully complete the Acid3 Web standards compliance test.

The URL bar does feature "smart" surfing, but only for including your history and bookmarks--much like Internet Explorer. Chrome and Firefox remain the only browsers to default to Google's "feeling lucky" style of searching from the location bar.

Cover Flow in Safari gives your Bookmarks and History a graphics lesson.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

Apple's big claim with Safari is that it's the fastest browser on the market, and Apple just might be right on that count. On an Intel Core Duo T400 ThinkPad, with 3GB of RAM and a 2.53GHz processor, I ran both Webkit's SunSpider JavaScript test and Mozilla's Dromaeo test on Firefox 3.5 Preview, Google Chrome 2, and Safari 4. Safari came out on top in Dromaeo by a long shot, but Chrome eked by in SunSpider.

For the SunSpider test, Chrome hit 597.0 milliseconds, while Safari scored 620.4 ms and Firefox comparatively chugged along at 952.2 ms. On Dromaeo, Safari reached 175.06 runs per second, Chrome managed 67.92 runs/s, and Firefox came in last again at 48.48 runs/s. However, Chrome only led in two categories, and it tied both with Safari. Safari definitively led in 36 tests, and Firefox led in 12.

Keeping in mind that although these tests are affected by background computer processes, your hardware, and other factors, Safari is definitely one of the fastest browsers out there. However, it still lacks extensions, and for many Firefox users that's enough to keep them from switching. Even Internet Explorer supports some form of extensibility with its Web Slices and Accelerators.

Like many other browsers, Safari's location bar offers suggested sites.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

Safari is still a RAM-devouring beast, too. With two tabs open, one to Dromaeo and one to SunSpider, it was using a shocking amount of RAM--more than 500MB after running both tests. Google Chrome consumed about 75MB of RAM across the same two sites under the same circumstances, while Firefox required 120MB.

With about 8.5 percent of the browser market, it's clear that Apple is positioning Safari as more than a developer's tool on Windows, and that its successes at building a faster JavaScript engine should be taken seriously even with its other drawbacks.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.
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by  Brian June 8, 2009 9:08 PM PDT
Safari 4 already crashed with YouTube and the entire browser disappeared without any warning or dialog boxes.

But I will give Apple credit for enhancing the browser.
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by rollcage June 8, 2009 9:41 PM PDT
The crash sandboxing feature will only be available in Snow Leopard. Users of other OSes will have to suffer normal crash behavior. Sigh...
by leotheman June 8, 2009 11:21 PM PDT
Same here it CRASHED 1 minute into me using it...
by cg0def June 9, 2009 12:08 AM PDT
You need to clear your cache/ reset the browser. It's kinda of a common sense ... And I'm not so sure about sandboxing working only on 10.6. From what I've seen so far flash performance is much improved compared to what it was in the latest beta from a week or so ago. It's still using an insane amount of CPU cycles for something that is supposed to be GPU accelerated but that's normal for flash on any OS.
by kcotham June 9, 2009 5:19 AM PDT
Used it all night on Leopard and haven't had one issue at all. In fact, watching videos on Hulu, they appeared more smooth than normal. I don't know why, but that's the way it looked.
by Super2online June 9, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
As I mentioned yesterday, I was using it to watch the updates from the conference blog and it crashed as I was posting to news.com. I fired it up again, and worked fine until later in the day when it crashed again. Frankly, I can deal with an occasional crash, but what I don't like about it at all, is that they try to force you into using Google or Yahoo as your search provider. There are no options to change it. For that, I decided I no longer needed it and uninstalled it.

Apple, quit trying to force people to use things you want them to use. I decide, NOT YOU!
by  Brian June 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT
I'm sure Apple is working on the bug fixes.

To respond to some:

I am running Safari 4 on my iMac and Macbook and it runs fine on both.
I actually like it better than the previous version.

The bug reporting tool is actually much more useful.

The Top Sites feature is a must have. I use it all the time.

When Snow Leopard arrives, I will buy the family pack to install on both of my Macs.

Apple is doing a fine job. Much better than Microsoft could ever hope for.

Apple probably has around 15% market share (if not more), but 7% of Mac users are dual booting Windows.
by nickshanks June 10, 2009 5:30 AM PDT
@super2online Apple have a financial agreement with Google to use that search engine, which precludes you from using a different one (except on Windows, where you also get Yahoo)

Since I used Google anyway, this has never been a problem for me.

I *would* like to be able to specify google.co.uk instead of google.com, but that's not a big issue.
by fshea June 8, 2009 9:42 PM PDT
It's an Apple product.

After today's line of BS with the iPhone, Snow Kitty, pitiful OS3 update. I really need a compass to say I'm as cool as Android.

Safari is used on iPhones, even Apple users hate it as a browser.

4.0 still doesn't work with my Lotus Notes web work email account.

It's as useless to me as upgrading my iPhone 3G to 3Gssssssssss for $499.00.

APPLE JUST LOST BY GREED! Snow Kitty is a bargain for $29.00 since it's Leapord with support for Windows Email. Apple at least got smart in that area. Imagine that, giving their email users (8%) email support for 89% of the market share.

Apple. FTL
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by bonesbautista June 8, 2009 10:54 PM PDT
Um, what's your point? You use Android devices, therefore, you're cool? Yikes.
by ckh1272 June 8, 2009 11:03 PM PDT
Trollin trollin trollin, keep that troll a rollin', troll hide!!
by cg0def June 9, 2009 12:15 AM PDT
You are an idiot! Apple added magnetometer because some developers were probably asking for one. And yeah no apps were announced that use it but they will be in the near future. And as far as 10.6 goes, hum yeah sure no major update and the much rumored marble interface was not there but it's much more than 10.5 with exchange support. The installation size has been decreased by 6gb ( which is huge ) and most core applications works in times faster than before. It's in a way what windows 7 is to vista only Leopard didn't have huge problems to fix and a lot of changes have to do with API and things that will benefit the user on the not so distant future. Oh and at least Apple decided to offer it as an update for a tiny fee which MS will never do with 7. If nothing else you have to respect that.
by superblue32 June 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT
thanks for your considered comments.

Do you feel better for that ?
by Seaspray0 June 9, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
Just some questions. Does safari 4 work with Lotus Notes? Second, does anyone still use Lotus Notes? Which broswer is best on an iphone? How much does the upgrade on the iphone cost? I think the snow leopard upgrade for $29 is a d*mn good bargain. How about you? Do you approve of the added support for exchange?

I've already heard fshea's answers. How accurate are they?
by ThaiAm June 8, 2009 9:46 PM PDT
I tried to find a way to change the search providers in the new Safari and was not successful. I want to use Bing as my search but can find no way to set it up as the default.
If this was Microsoft the EU would have a hay day and fine them another 100 billion.
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by Perry_Clease June 9, 2009 7:08 AM PDT
I have Bing on my BookMarks Bar, but yeah you can't change that to the default. Go here and send Apple feedback http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Can you change the default search engine in Explorer? Seriously I don't know because there is no current version for OSX and I use Windows very rarely.
by goodspeed8701 June 9, 2009 7:27 AM PDT
oh yes you can. You know its windows = freedom
by Seaspray0 June 9, 2009 11:07 AM PDT
@perry clease. To answer your question... You can change the default search engine in IE7 and higher. Find the search box in the upper right-hand side of your browser. Click the down arrow next to the magnifying glass icon. Select Change Search Defaults.
by kcotham June 12, 2009 5:28 AM PDT
@goodspeed

In what alternate universe?
by crazykillller June 8, 2009 11:26 PM PDT
Its not worth using Safari 4. As in the comment made by the author 500MB OF RAM that is really mad. Use Chrome its better for RAM and compatibility.
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by cg0def June 9, 2009 12:18 AM PDT
first of all Safari 4 does not use 500mb. Not on my system at least ( ever ) and 2nd Chrome is in no way shape or form better on OS X. The implementation is very far from being complete, has no support for extensions and constantly crashed. Windows is a different story but this is besides the point here.
by kcotham June 9, 2009 5:23 AM PDT
That's one person's experience and it's arguable is it's true or not anyway. As with anything as variable as web browsing, your mileage may vary. I've found 4.0 to be very, very fast and it hasn't crashed yet. I've got two windows with four tabs open, 200MB of space used. And it has been running for hours, since last night. I've watched movies on Hulu, had over a dozen pages and tabs open, and not a crash and hasn't gotten bigger than 200MB.
by myles taylor June 9, 2009 7:52 AM PDT
With five tabs open (CNet, Facebook, Gmail, Wikipedia, and Hulu) I'm using 129 MB of memory. While that's still more than Firefox with it's four tabs open which is currently at 69, that's not too outrageous. The columnist should have ran more tests before posting that.
by ifonlyifonly June 9, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
When I last tried Safari for Windows, I found it incapable of handling a large number of tabs. Chrome also does poor when you go beyond a handful of tabs. Firefox does okay. But I have not found anything as capable as Opera of handling the 15 tabs I currently have open without crawling to a halt. Right now, Opera 9.6 is using 184 MB for 15 tabs...not too shabby. (for those who haven't tried Opera for a while...the days of the unstable Opera are over. Now I experience more crashes with Chrome and Firefox than with Opera even though I only use them a fraction of the time. And forget about using 15 tabs on them..) Can't wait til the final release of Opera 10.
by kcotham June 9, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
I've got 17 tabs open in Safari 4.0 for Windows. It's on a Windows XP machine. I'm not having any issues at all. It's been much faster than Safari and insanely faster than IE.
by TalkTurkey June 10, 2009 7:33 AM PDT
My MacBook Pro has a limit of 2GB of RAM. I had upgraded to Safari 4 Beta but was unhappy with the 'slowness' of having multiple tabs. I was told by Apple to uninstall and reinstall Safari 3 (since Safari 4 was only a 'Beta' version then)...

I wonder if I should upgrade to Safari 4 now? Does Safari 4 need a machine with better RAM than mine?
by kcotham June 11, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
No, TalkTurkey. You won't need more RAM. The final version is very stable and is very fast. I've tried it on my work computer Pentium 4, 2GHz, 512MB ,Windows XP and it works faster than Firefox and IE. I've tried it on my PowerBook G4 1.67GHz, 2GB, "Tiger" and it's very nice there too. And it screams on my MacBook 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB, "Leopard". So, even on old Pentium machines, it works great. The G4 runs it very well, much faster than before. And of course the newer Core 2 Duo runs it well.

What the author probably doesn't understand is that a lot of Mac OS X applications will use as much RAM as possible to get the job done, to avoid paging to the hard disc. When other applications or the Mac OS itself needs that RAM back, it'll get it. Don't listen to this blogger. Run Safari 4 final and enjoy.
by ktswami June 9, 2009 12:29 AM PDT
Safari 4 looks like a nice upgrade...but thanks for trying SO hard to not mention Opera v10 beta. I realize there's a good reason to do that, because it's super-fast, and with Visual Tabs and auto-Turbo, it continues to innovate...rather than imitate.

(And did you see which browser was #3 in the i-Bench Javascript test? I thought so. And Opera v10 is even faster.)

It's still OK to try Opera 10 Beta...it won't bite, but it may impress the heck out of you. But whatever it is about CNET's childish editorial blackout and marginalization of Opera...that, I'm not impressed by. It's even unprofessional.
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by seven7dust June 9, 2009 2:11 AM PDT
yup safari on the windows side has been messed up to the core with 4
I'll stick with 3.1.1 on my Xp box !
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by kcotham June 9, 2009 5:24 AM PDT
Just tried 4 on my old XP machine at work, no problems whatsoever. Try restarting the computer (dumb, I know), and then emptying the cache on Safari. You might even want to "reset" Safari after upgrading. Can't hurt.
by seven7dust June 9, 2009 9:51 AM PDT
it's not a problem with bugs
it's the UI why did they change it to match the horrible windows luna theme
and it takes up too much ram on a already slow XP box !
3.1.1 is still much better as far as usability is concerned
but I've switched to chrome anyway
by kcotham June 9, 2009 10:11 AM PDT
Chrome is using the same WebKit rendering engine. I haven't tried it on a Vista or Windows 7 machine yet, but it's running quite well on the office XP machine, faster than Firefox or IE.
by AICAP Group June 9, 2009 2:32 AM PDT
Safari 4. On a Mac. the most unstable and buggy browser I have ever used on a mac. I been using this thing since it came out. It crashes repeatedly on java rich pages and even when it does not I get the spinning beach ball way to often, really slowing down the user experience. I use the browser many hours each day as a professional researcher and have found this browser to be about the slowest and most crash-prone browser ever. I use it on two macs and my results are identical. I don't think most reviews of such applications happen in the real world. Often reviewers spend a little time with some app and then write a review. I use this thing for hours and hours and find it essentially a piece of trash. That's my view from the working world.
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by Ian_Joyner June 9, 2009 4:18 AM PDT
I'm always cautious of people who claim they analyze products because they are in the "real world". This one is interesting because they claim to have been using Safari 4 for hours over - by implication - many days. This must be an interesting parallel universe-type real world where you can have been using something for many days that has been released for less than 24 hours!
by kcotham June 9, 2009 5:25 AM PDT
You've done something wrong AICAP. It's super fast on my MacBook. Try resetting Safari, emptying cache. See if that helps.
I upgraded and didn't do any more than restart the computer aftward. And everything is hunky dory.
by myles taylor June 9, 2009 7:54 AM PDT
I'm guessing AICAP is talking about Safari 4 Beta.

AICAP, if you need a stable browser, don't download the beta. As far as Safari 4 goes, run software updates (to make sure you're actually running the newest version), reset your browser, and try again. It's been out less than a day and it sounds like the reviewer ran it through it's paces quite well. Remember this is what these people do for a living. They know what they're doing and I usually find their reviews objective and accurate.
by kcotham June 9, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
Myles
You're putting a little too much faith and credence in what a blogger says. I found his "tests" to be severely lacking. Test it for yourself, then make a decision. The final release is a bit more stable than the beta (although I never had any trouble with the beta, just hated the tabs on top.)
by Galaxy5 June 9, 2009 3:48 AM PDT
CLUELESS as usual. I'm now convinced that C|Net will do anything to get a rise out of people, and I'm ashamed to admit it worked on me.

"Uses too much RAM" - because we tell people to buy lots of RAM for rich web experience - but we complain when software companies use that memory for caching.

The interface is "completely new"? Funny, looks pretty much 95% the same. But hey - when you're used to Internet Exploder, I guess every browser looks the same.

I've been using Safari 4 for several hours now. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, since it seems faster, has the same controls, and renders better than IE or Firefox - and quicker - than any other browser on the market.

Bully much, Redmond?
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by shellyle June 9, 2009 3:56 AM PDT
Safari's spped dial is nice but it does not give you the usefulness of Firefox's New Tab King extension (<a href="http://www.newtabking.com">New Tab King for Firefox</a>) where you can see the different usage patterns by part of day.

--shelly
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by gopnick June 9, 2009 4:29 AM PDT
Considering the fact that Apple fanboys as well as Microsoft/Firefox/Google apologists are all ticked, I'd say you did a good job on this blog post. Based on fact & reason, it's a good resource for those of us either searching for a browser or contemplating leaving Safari behind. I'll stay with Safari on my Mac (10.5) for now.
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by Ian_Joyner June 9, 2009 6:15 AM PDT
"Only minor tweaks from beta" - I should hope so beta software is a field test version of the almost finished product. If it were greatly changed, it should not be called a beta version. Maybe the old terminology of "field test" was clearer before these trendy monikers.
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by IgnatiusTheKing June 9, 2009 6:24 AM PDT
I actually liked the old, "Chrome-like" tab style. It saved room on my MacBook Air's 13" screen. Also, what's with the ugly "loading" box on the right-hand side of the Address Bar (that only appears while loading)? I thought the little wheel was pretty obvious, but neither is as good as the old way of having the bar fill with blue as the page loaded.
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by jaybarrow June 9, 2009 7:53 AM PDT
I hide my toolbar and bookmarks bar for more screen real estate... I've been accustomed to keyboard shortcuts for back/forward/reload anyway... I abandoned the beta until the final release and couldn't be happier... almost 24 hours now with zero crashes like some others have been reporting. And I use a LOT of flash, javascript and java applets.
by myles taylor June 9, 2009 7:56 AM PDT
I think you're in the minority. I changed it in terminal as did everyone I know who used it. But I guess some people liked it.
by Perry_Clease June 9, 2009 8:27 AM PDT
"I think you're in the minority. I changed it in terminal as did everyone I know who used it. But I guess some people liked it."

I got used to the tabs on the top. It is like driving a different vehicle with the headlight switch or something in a different location, you adapt.
by exactlyy June 9, 2009 7:21 AM PDT
i really didnt like it , just doesnt look right , but to be honest , its fast , faster than chrome, but it looks too old..
Safari 4 w'd have been my favorite browser if it was released 10 years ago .
if you still use windows 95/98 , this browsr is for you :)
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by myles taylor June 9, 2009 7:57 AM PDT
Are you kidding me? Safari looks polished compared to IE 6 and the original version of Firefox. You get more attention if you make sense when you're dissing something.
by exactlyy June 9, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
@ myles taylor
and thats what i said..
if you have windows 95/98 use it over IE6 , but on XP/Vista/7 it just looks like a stoned age software that was compiled in 1990s
"Safari looks polished compared to IE 6 and the original version of Firefox"
lol now thats the joke , if you said Opera 10 looks more polished than Firefox..that w'd be right, but safari ?? and if you dont like the original version of Firefox..you got over a million theme for firefox , but how many theme Safari got ??
by William Crow June 9, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
I'm not a guru, but was told a few years ago that Safari had a 1 second delay built in and that I could go in and reduce it by rewriting things somehow. It was way over my head so I didn't. It looks like in Safari 4 Apple has reduced that delay time by about 66%.
My iMac - 3 years old - is still not snap quick like most Windows machines.
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by bradsharek June 9, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
GIve me my tabs back! No "+" until you have a tab open! Ugh
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by Jonnygthedrummer June 9, 2009 8:56 AM PDT
yes u can have the tabbar show up when you have just one tab. open a fresh browser with just one page, go to view "show tab bar" an it will always show the tabbar even with just one tab
by WingWingDabbit June 9, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
or you can "right click" the toolbar, select "customize toolbar" then drag the "new tab" icon into the toolbar.

i prefer Jonnygthedrummer's way though
by June 9, 2009 12:05 PM PDT
Oh... here i am thinkin... thank god for that correction... love it this way. Cheers!
by The_happy_switcher June 9, 2009 8:16 AM PDT
Works great for me so far. I especially like the ability to search my history easily.
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by  Brian June 9, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
I use Safari even more than ever.

I especially find the Top Sites the most used feature.
by Perry_Clease June 9, 2009 8:35 AM PDT
You all, MacFanMen and others, need to read this Apple rant http://www.thegraphicmac.com/rant-stupid-apple-you-suck
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by MCrisci June 9, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
Yes, read the article properly. He is not slamming Apple so much as those silly people who complain about Apple. He is pretty much an Apple User, albeit a frustrated one when they do the "step backward" thing, which Apple does often. It'll get fixed if enough people complain.
by jimoase June 9, 2009 9:44 AM PDT
Safari 4.0 will not display this site correctly http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php

User typed input will be delayed nearly one second when filling in a "Report bugs to Apple"

CPU usage will climb to 50...90%

Scrolling will be very jerky.

This problem has existed before with Safari.
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by monkeyfun14 June 9, 2009 9:56 AM PDT
Thing is super bloated on Windows XP and Vista its like trying to browse a website using photoshop
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by The_happy_switcher June 9, 2009 11:35 AM PDT
Sounds like operator error.
by kcotham June 9, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
I've been using it on a Pentium 4 2.0GHz with 512MB of RAM running Windows XP SP2 and haven't had a single issue. It's faster and more stable than FireFox and IE put together. It HAS to be user error. I think they used to call that error an ID10T error. Or was it called a keyboard to chair interface issue?
by sanjayb June 11, 2009 8:55 AM PDT
Runs fine for me on XP (work), Vista (home) and Win 7 (virtual). Figures monkeyfun14 would have problems with an Apple product.
by ArsFragica June 9, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
Safari 4 crashed too much, Opera 10 provides the same speed plus customization.
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by kcotham June 9, 2009 12:00 PM PDT
I've tried Opera many, many, many times over the years. I can't get used to the clunky UI. It's fast, I'll give it that. And it has an uncanny ability to render those "Internet Explorer only" web sites when nothing else will. But until they do something about the UI, it'll never get me using it full time. Maybe it's because it tries to do everything?
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