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June 8, 2009 6:30 PM PDT

New Firefox hangs in limbo between beta and RC

by Seth Rosenblatt
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On the same day that Apple released the public version of Safari 4 for Windows and Mac, Mozilla published an update to its Firefox 3.5 beta. Available for Windows, Mac, and Linux, they're not calling this a beta version, but it's not a release candidate, either.

Within the next 24 hours, the Firefox 3.5 beta 4 will auto-update to what Mozilla is calling a "preview" version. Users can also force the update by going to the Help menu, then Check for Updates. At the time of writing, it doesn't appear that users can download the 3.5 Preview version directly.

In a press release, Mozilla said that Firefox 3.5 Preview will leverage the more than 800,000 users of the 3.5 beta to further test changes made to the browser, indicating that it feels the browser is fine for daily use but might still contain significant problems.

The update makes a large number of bug-fixes for stability, tweaks the Mozilla JavaScript engine TraceMonkey, and improves support for the baked-in Ogg-based open audio and video standards. Overall, it sounds like this should be called beta 5, although the "preview" moniker will likely get good buzz and Microsoft proved with the Windows 7 beta that utilizing your fan base to find potential problems isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Firefox's slight change to the tab buttons: gray instead of green.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

I also noticed that there's a minor interface change in the Preview. Tab management buttons are now gray on gray, changed from the green on gray.

Mozilla's open-source evangelist, Christopher Blizzard, is also highlighting the new developer features coming in Firefox 3.5 in a new blog.

The Firefox milestone announcement can be read here.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.
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by Mr. Dee June 8, 2009 7:14 PM PDT
I can guarantee you this will be a buggy release at RTW. I am not downloading this until at least 3.5.8.
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by Lerianis3 June 8, 2009 7:27 PM PDT
Oh, shut up! Mozilla's software when it comes out has VERY few bugs in it, and most of them are things that Mozilla couldn't legitimately find before 'launch day' because they pop up in certain uncommon scenarios.
by Freedomstarfox June 8, 2009 8:36 PM PDT
Every browser has its bugs. In fact, Firefox and other Mozilla software usually has the LEAST bugs when it comes out. The remaining bugs are those that were not found due to uncommon scenarios.
by flickrz June 8, 2009 9:34 PM PDT
Mr. Dee. It is almost impossible to find a piece of software which is not buggy now a days. We live in the day and age when software bugs are a part of life and there are always trade offs. I can guarantee there will be bugs and security issues in ver. 3.5.9 (not a typo).
by SwissJay June 9, 2009 8:03 AM PDT
If it's man-made, it's going to have bugs ;) Just ask Terminator...
by pentest June 10, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
You drool over whatever buggy crap MS releases. Firefox has always been superior to IE.
by funyun2 June 10, 2009 3:35 PM PDT
It's more stable than 3.0.10. Believe me, before I started using this primarily, Firefox was crashy as hell. I've only crashed like twice in the last two weeks of me using this.
The only problem I'm having is with facebook videos. I have flash, and I can watch any flash video site, but on fb videos it says I need Flash.
by Hammerhand June 8, 2009 7:31 PM PDT
My Firefox tabs have always been gray. So if that's the big visual change, I think I may be able to handle it.

Oh - and even if it is "buggy", I'll use Firefox over IE any day of the week. IE is a pig.
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by jake3373 June 10, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
Even on Windows 7, Firefox 3.5 loads faster than IE. By alot.
by bakedpatato June 8, 2009 8:33 PM PDT
3.5 is sounding like Duke Nukem Forever.
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by cavebear June 8, 2009 10:19 PM PDT
I'll wait a little while to try it. BTW, my tabs are different colors...
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by exactlyy June 9, 2009 4:29 AM PDT
i just hate the new "open new tab" icon.. the green one was better and cleaner , on wide screens this grey cross looks wrong ..
other than that .. I LOVE firefox :D
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by ibelieve01 June 9, 2009 5:30 AM PDT
Calling this a "preview" this week is all about trying to steal thunder from Safari 4 and Opera 10. It's Mozilla saying "Us, too, us, too!" even though they have little to "us too" about.
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by zclayton2 June 9, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
I'm hoping that the delay is because Mozilla is making a patch for the mikro$loth update extension malware that opens and installs anything a site fells like putting on your computer. Ideally this would mean the Linux version beats the m$ version to release.
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by OutRider2003 June 9, 2009 9:34 PM PDT
Granted, I use Firefox and love it, but lately it's been doing nothing but tick me off. I'm not the type of person who has it all loaded up with extensions, but lately these newer releases have been slower than molasses. There are even times when Firefox doesn't load the pages right away like it's supposed to.

I decided to check out the speed in Opera 10 Beta, and it far surpasses anything that Firefox has offered lately. I can type in a URL and have the page appear almost instantaneously.
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by planetjeffy June 9, 2009 10:56 PM PDT
I agree, FF has gotten progressively slower. New release is supposed to speed things up.
by Joey_Rizzo June 10, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
Id like to see the memory issue addressed a little more. Came back to my work computer this morning, had over 500K allocated to Firefox. Needless to say ill make sure to shut down the program before i leave at night!
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by whiplash55 June 10, 2009 8:51 AM PDT
When I saw the words Firefox hangs I thought you were talking about the performance. First 3.0.whatever got so slow I move to 3.1 now its so slow IE8 is waaaaay faster, and I can't believe I just wrote that but it launches so much faster its not funny. Now I've got Chrome as my default browser but I miss my all my add-on and extensions. Firefox is becoming the new IE7 I've tried totally uninstalling it and reinstalling, but no difference.
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by alexpoho June 10, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
i tried using the beta and i couldn't right click on pictures
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by make_or_break June 10, 2009 10:41 AM PDT
Beta Candidate? Release Beta? Whatever...

I just hope that 3.5 FINAL (or whatever they number it) will be much better than the crap 3.0.10 has become. If nothing else, buggy ol' FF has made me more of a Chrome believer, even though I'll always miss NoScript.
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by Spribo June 10, 2009 11:32 AM PDT
Firefox is excellent, but certainly not the kind of browser for surfers looking for attractive interface or high speed. Opera still remains the best, but I can't still configure to use as search engine Google's search link I'm feeling lucky...
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by ArsFragica June 14, 2009 2:10 PM PDT
Firefox = Dead. Opera FTW!
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by monkii_ June 14, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
When all of you are done spontaniously combusting while bickering about the obvious piece of crap we call IE or the much loved FF and why we love and hate each... take a step to the dark side and download chrome, never again will you use another browser.. and I don't even like Google, they just win this one hands down.
http://download.cnet.com/Google-Chrome/3000-2356_4-10881381.html?tag=mncol;pop
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by jscott418 June 14, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
I would have to agree that just from all the delays I think Mozilla is having problems with FF 3.5. I have kind of lost faith in Mozilla of late. I have started looking at IE 8 and Safari 4 for windows. Even gave Chrome a spin and they all did better for me the Firefox. Maybe Mozilla has lost its advantage.
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