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May 5, 2009 6:20 PM PDT

What to expect in Windows 7 RC

by Seth Rosenblatt
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The best thing to happen to Microsoft's public relations in years, Windows 7 is more than just spin. The latest official update to what some are calling the largest shareware trial period ever introduces more than mere bug fixes as the operating system upgrades from beta to release candidate. The Windows 7 Release Candidate does contain several major and minor changes, but the overall experience remains largely unchanged.

What's most important to you about the release candidate will depend on your perspective. Certainly, one of the biggest new features makes Windows Media Player useful again: you can now stream media files from one Windows 7 computer to another, across the Internet and out of network. Even better, the set up procedure is dead simple.

Windows Media Player now offers media streaming using your Windows Live ID.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

When you open Windows Media Player, there's a new Stream option on the toolbar. Click it and you're presented with two choices. Both require you to associate your computer with your Windows Live ID. When you've associated a second Windows 7's WMP with that same ID, you can remotely access the media on the host computer.

A less glitzy but no less important change to how removable drives are handled also can impact your media. Unlike Windows XP and Windows Vista, Windows 7 will no longer AutoRun external hard drives and USB keys when they're connected. This kills off a risky vector for malware infections that has been the bane of many security experts.

Experts and people or companies who hope to use Windows 7 for business situations will appreciate the new XP Mode. It doesn't have much of a practical application for the home consumer, but if you need to access programs designed for Windows XP that have not been upgraded to Windows Vista or 7, XP Mode creates a virtual environment within Windows 7 that should assuage any fears of upgrading without backward compatibility.

It's not easy to set up once you've downloaded the XP Mode installer. You'll need to double-check that you have the right hardware and can get the right software. Hardware Virtualization Technology, also known as AMD-V, Vanderpool, or VT-d, must be supported for it to work. Motherboards older than two years probably won't work, and even if you do have a newer one you might have to go into your BIOS and activate Hardware Virtualization. CPU-identification utilities are available from Microsoft that can tell you if you're in the clear. However, if compatibility is the issue, this hassle will be worth it to you. Users will have full access to peripherals connected to their Windows 7 hardware, including printers, and the clipboard can be used to cut and paste between the virtual operating system and the "real" one.

Windows 7's native search feature has been improved. Files that I added to my hard drive were indexed so fast that they were searchable less than five seconds after saving them. Search result snippets now include a longer snippet, and highlight the snippet more clearly. This should appeal specifically to people who juggle large numbers of long documents, but I don't know of anybody who wouldn't appreciate finding the file they're looking for faster.

Lacking a touchscreen laptop, I wasn't able to personally try out the enhancements made to touchscreen support. However, it now supports multitouch zooming and taskbar previews when you drag your finger across the active programs pinned to the taskbar.

Search snippets make finding files easier in Windows 7.

(Credit: Screenshot by Seth Rosenblatt/CNET)

Other changes stood out, too. Better Device Stage support for older devices makes one of Windows 7's best features applicable to peripherals and externals that don't need to be upgraded. Windows Media Player's mini mode looks much slicker, emphasizing the album art--sometimes at the expense of clearly seeing the controls, but it's a definite improvement. One annoying change is that Bluetooth support no longer comes baked into the operating system. If you need a Bluetooth driver, you'll either need the installation disc on hand or you'll have to download the driver.

Windows 7 continues to get better, but because this is the Release Candidate, unless Microsoft surprises us we're pretty much looking at the final feature set. If you're testing Windows 7 beta, you'll have to back up your data before upgrading to the RC, but once you do you'll be able to use it until June 1, 2010. The beta will start intentionally shutting down every two hours on July 1, 2009.

We've shot several videos at CNET TV about Windows 7. Among others, you can take a first look at the release candidate, a first look at the beta, which includes a lot of information about what you can do with Windows 7, and an explanation of how to dual-boot Windows 7 alongside your current Windows operating system.

Update May 6, 2009: Users who wish to purchase Windows 7 once the final version is released will need to do a full backup of their data and then perform a clean install of operating system. As with the update from Windows 7 beta to the RC, there will be no direct upgrade path to the final version.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.


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by slickuser May 5, 2009 6:51 PM PDT
7 crashes a day?
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by kojacked May 5, 2009 8:26 PM PDT
Welcome to 1998.

"Slick"? I don't think so.
by topgunb2 May 6, 2009 4:17 AM PDT
I think employed by apple and not paid well
by kcotham May 5, 2009 6:59 PM PDT
So this Windows Media Player sharing is kind of like iTunes music sharing, right? What's the big deal?
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by Chapmaniac May 5, 2009 7:09 PM PDT
iTunes music sharing is strictly over the same (closed) network while Windows Media Player sharing (which has had closed network sharing for years) is now able to share its content across the Internet... kind of like SlingBox does.
by rollcage May 5, 2009 7:10 PM PDT
iTunes only lets you share music with computers on the same network (previous versions of WMP did this too). Now you can share music over the internet. So you could also listen to the music you have on your home desktop from the laptop you have with you at school.
by kelmon May 6, 2009 4:03 AM PDT
Actually, iTunes sharing is even worse - you can only share with computers on the same subnet. Still, as better as the Windows Media Player solution is, it still requires you to have your home computer/server connected to the internet in order for the streaming to happen, and it will be interesting to see how well it performs.
by Random_Walk May 6, 2009 7:16 AM PDT
...so in other words the feature lets you pirate media (or rather, lets an attacker share your media w/ the world) with amazing speed and without the need for third-party utilities.
by illegallydead May 6, 2009 11:48 AM PDT
@Random_Walk: No, this is not pirating. This is STREAMING, the same thing as internet radio, basically. You cannot copy the files onto that computer, you are just "playing" them. Sure, you could record them and "steal" them, but then, you have been able to do that for decades with normal radio/internet radio. Get your facts right and stop trolling.
by Renegade Knight May 7, 2009 7:38 AM PDT
@Random_Walk

If piracy is enjoying your bought and paid for media then yes, this is rampant piracy. For the rest of us this may be useful.
by TowerTone May 7, 2009 7:45 AM PDT
I do this on my Mac with iTunes using Simplify Media, which is free, and streams to my iPhone. I also stream to my friends computers, and vice-versa.

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26666/simplify-media

It is available for Windows also.
by FAwadalla May 9, 2009 3:57 PM PDT
Closed Network VS the internet.
by mikestatic1 May 5, 2009 7:20 PM PDT
I'm looking forward to taking it for a ride...
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by petersenj612--2008 May 5, 2009 7:25 PM PDT
ho-hum, think I'll keep my Macs
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by dgreen360 May 5, 2009 7:50 PM PDT
Keep your Mac, I love my Mac Pro. However, there's nothing stopping you from running Win7 on your Inel based Mac.
by mikestatic1 May 5, 2009 8:11 PM PDT
So will I, but it is nice to feed something new to the token Windows laptop every now and then.
by FireyIce01 May 5, 2009 9:22 PM PDT
I have to say, I love my mac. For me, having started out on a mac plus, and then spending the next 20 years of my life using dos5/6, win3/3.11/95/98/2k/xp, various versions of linux, beos, and other 'alternative OSes,' it doesn't matter. Personally, I think microsoft has been stumbling for many years, and flopped hard with vista (like millennium edition before it) and win7 is to vista what XP was to ME. It's a solid OS though, and it works, but I will still stick with my powerbook for day to day use, it's comfortable, easy, and does what I need... but I can't say for sure that windows or mac is 'better'. There's this whole debate, but really - apple makes superior hardware that they engineer to 'perfection' and microsoft relies on 3rd party hardware manufacturers. Apple integrates their OS with their hardware, and therefore has more control over the variables. Microsoft has to depend on their vendors to make decent drivers for everything. Overall, I am happy with windows 7 (though I haven't put it through a lot of it's paces, I've installed it, and use it primarily for browsing the internet). It's stable, and it doesn't take all my system's resources just to run the OS.
by loose_screw May 6, 2009 2:04 AM PDT
@petersen: Keep your frickin Mac, no one cares. Why do you feel compelled to comment on a Windows story just to make a totally non-constructive comment?

I love Apple products, but I am not a stupid fanboy that feels the need to slam every single non-Apple story. Sheesh.
by monkeyfun14 May 6, 2009 9:14 AM PDT
"apple makes superior hardware that they engineer to 'perfection' and microsoft relies on 3rd party hardware manufacturers."


Western Digital is making the harddrives
Ati/Nvidia are making the chipsets and gpu's
Intel is making the processors.
Samsung is making the SSD's and possibly the Ram.


Now tell me I can not just go on newegg and pick up a equivalent from any one of these manufacturers.

This is all the same crap Dell,HP,Acer,Toshiba,Sony,Compaq,Gateway,Emachines and any other manufacturer have been using for years.
by xcopy May 6, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
@ monkeyfun14


From all mac users...

It's all the same??? But...but...but how can that be?

Stevie told me macs were better. He and other mac users told me I was special, and that if I bought a mac for 1.5x-2x the price of any other machine I would be cool. I went to the apple store because I want to be cool. They wear black T-shirts and they told me I was getting something unique for my money and I didn't need to go outside apple for anything because everything apple made was good and I want to be cool because I'm not capable of thinking for myself and I have to follow a herd and.....and....and...

you don't really mean to say that I'm not cool do you? you don't mean to say that I'm just a farm animal because I don't know when I'm buying the advertising and not the product do you? I think I'm going to cry because there was no way I was cool before and i wanted it so badly I could just, I could .....I want to be cool!!!!!
sniff, sniff, Whaaaa!

I don't want to be a loser. Don't tell me I'm a loser just becausee I can't think for myself. I own a mac! I learned to use iPhoto after taking apples 100 hours of free training (a couple of times..). it is 'free" isn't it? You can't tell me I'm just a brainless sheep wandering around eating apple droppings, getting screwed on a regular basis, and that other people really do think I'm an idiot... . Whaaaaa.....I paid my money... Whaaaa.....

now, just move that disk icon to the trash can, click with your one-button mouse, to disconnect your drive.. We're smart... yup... smart....
by softwarewillalwaysbebuggy May 6, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
To the uninformed like FireyIce01:

First, I'm surprised there are people out there this clueless. monkeyfun14 is absolutely right, in fact, the list of hardware manufacturers Apple uses is much larger than that. Apple doesn't even make their own processors in the iPod, and that's their biggest money maker. This info is widely available, some of it even on the Apple website... or just go to the Genius Bar and ask them. They might not be geniuses, but they at least know this.

Second, there's nothing wrong with using third-party manufacturers, especially when many of today's companies, specializing in certain components, can manufacture it better and for less. I know Apple wants to manufacture their own parts and they are currently exploring how to fit it into their business. Based on their financials, I have my doubts they can do it cheaper... better, possibly, but most certainly the cost will be passed on to the consumer. Apple fans I'm sure would be happy to pay, but how about everyone else? To learn more, you might consider reading up on economies of scale and why lean manufacturing supply chains are important.
by davrosthedalek May 7, 2009 4:30 AM PDT
I went to the Apple site and priced a Mac Pro, it came to $14,000. I rather just build my own rig that is faster and cheaper. They didn't even offer the latest graphics cards.
by Renegade Knight May 7, 2009 7:40 AM PDT
@FireyIce01

Apple does not engineer to perfection. If they did I would not hate the crappy ergonomics of my MacBook to the point where my next Mac will be a Hackintosh.

They do have good specs, and don't make "crap" but they have issues. Just like everone else.
by g8crapachino May 7, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
@FireyIce01. This so called "superior hardware" is outsourced and assembled in the exact same factories in China that assemble many Dells, HP, and other systems; Companies called Quanta, Compal, or Wistron.

Obviously, the only thing truly superior about Mac hardware is in the minds of the hypocritical, arrogant and phony attitude of it's users. ...you can keep it.
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by Sentax May 5, 2009 7:30 PM PDT
I'm loving the new taskbar in Windows 7, except for a couple things:

1. When the task bar is orientated horizontally, and you fill up the task bar with applications, the task bar buttons begin to auto-size until the buttons are too small and then the scroll bar appears so you have to "page" to the other buttons, unless you resize the task bar and you can then gain a new row of buttons.

2. When the task bar is orientated vertically, and you fill up the task bar with applications, the task bar gains a scroll bar you have to use to get to the other "pages" on the task bar. You cannot make the task bar wider in the hopes of making 2 columns of task bar buttons (similar to horizontally), it only stretches the buttons to the width of the task bar as you re-size. You should be able to re-size the task bar and gain multiple columns of buttons.

3. When hovering over a running program you get previews of the windows, if you have more than 1 window of an application open you'll see both, those windows are ordered by when they were opened. With the new click-n-drag of the task bar, the preview windows should be allowed to re-order also.

Other than that... great improvement to the OS, loving it a lot!
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by kcotham May 7, 2009 2:05 PM PDT
There is no clear indicator of whether an application is merely pinned to the taskbar or active. The active ones have an outline, pinned ones don't. This isn't immediately apparent. In the Finder's Dock on Mac OS X, the very visible black triangle was replaced with a not as visible whitish-blue dot in 10.5. Neither one of these is a perfect solution.
by Jack K1 May 5, 2009 7:49 PM PDT
XP Mode. I've got an old printer and an old scanner in my closet that haven't worked since I installed Vista. Win 7's XP mode will allow me to drag these back out of the closet and reconnect them.

Since I'm a cheap bastard (I run my own business), I'm quite happy with that.
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by skrubol May 7, 2009 7:09 AM PDT
If they do work in XP mode, you will only be able to print to them from apps you run in XP mode.
by Psycho-Joe May 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT
I bought some rather impressive new hardware, but it came installed with vista.
Vista was rather disappointing.
I just spent like 800$ building a freaking monster system, and I can't play my favorite video games on it anymore.
What good is that?
Well, thanks to built in virtualization, now I can again.
This is most awesome.
by skrubol May 11, 2009 9:55 AM PDT
Psycho, what games do you have that don't run in Vista?
by MPB May 5, 2009 7:55 PM PDT
This OS sounds great but sorry Microsoft it's not enough to make me switch back.
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by y2j420 May 5, 2009 8:12 PM PDT
Your loss...Apple had 2 1/2 years to try and gain a huge market share while some people had issues with Vista (I never once had an issue with Vista)...and they've done almost jack...

Apple will now relegate further into the background as Windows 7 revitalizes Microsoft as much or moreso than Windows XP did...

Great time to be a Microsoft user...
by mikestatic1 May 5, 2009 8:18 PM PDT
Me neither, I used to be a PC guy but Vista brought me to the Mac, and I won't go back. But there are enough windows-only software packages I deal with that upgrading my token PC might be interesting. I don't want to soil my MacBook by installing Windoze on even a small partition.
by FireyIce01 May 5, 2009 9:25 PM PDT
to y2j420 - Apple has been working aggressively to gain market share. The problem is the price point. And it's getting harder and harder for them to explain the costs. I give them credit for using the more expensive components, they focus on quality over cost savings... but I think that they need to do 2 things - allow ANYONE to purchase OSX and install it on their intel system AND drop the price of their hardware to a more attainable level.
by loose_screw May 6, 2009 2:10 AM PDT
@ FireyIce01: agreed. Let me run Leopard on my own custom built desktop (and I'm not talking about Hackintosh either), and make it competitively priced, then maybe Apple's market share will see a faster increase.

Unfortunately, I don't see either of those two things happening anytime soon though. And with Apple making money hand over fist, I guess they don't really need to. So that leaves a place for Microsoft in this world, and Apple fanboys & MS users just need to figure a way to peacefully coexist.
by kelmon May 6, 2009 4:10 AM PDT
Agreed - Microsoft lost me as a customer and there isn't actually anything in Windows 7 compelling enough to warrant a switch back. Windows 7 is certainly much less frustrating than Windows XP and in that respect Microsoft is to be commended but the problem is that they were too lax years ago and now they need Apple to mess up in order to regain the market that moved to Apple's platform. However, I would agree that Windows 7 means that there is much less incentive for people to switch away from Microsoft's platform.
by Renegade Knight May 7, 2009 7:41 AM PDT
@y2j420

Apple did gain market share during that 2 1/2 years.
by bblande May 5, 2009 8:07 PM PDT
I showed my girlfriend this, bragging how she could be using an OS that her office probably won't use for at least a year. She looked at it for a bit as I showed her the differences between 7 and Vista, and said, "I don't see what the big deal is. It saves you maybe a few nanoseconds of time."

I wonder if 7 will be a hit amongst the geeks only but the mainstream will stick with XP or Vista...
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by mikestatic1 May 5, 2009 8:15 PM PDT
I'm guessing it will be a PC geek hit, but it could do well in the business world too - there are still a lot of companies that have not switched from XP (or switched back). They might make inroads there, but then they are rolling it out at a time when not many companies are going to be looking to spend money.
by dracoaffectus May 6, 2009 1:35 AM PDT
You're probably right, the average user probably won't upgrade to Windows 7; for them, there's no point in upgrading. I'm sure many people won't notice any difference between even Windows 7 and XP.
by loose_screw May 6, 2009 2:13 AM PDT
I think the big switch will come when people buy new PCs and laptops with Win7 installed. This is typical of how users upgrade anyway. There's some eye candy with Win7, but you're right--it's not enough to make the average non-techie user to upgrade.
by rapier1 May 6, 2009 8:45 AM PDT
The average person didn't move to Vista because it never had the support of the geek community. If the Windows 7 does gain the support of that community the average user will upgrade.
by d3vildog69 May 6, 2009 11:02 AM PDT
Im guessing it will be a hit when the start making PC's with only Windows 7.... lol. XP is too old and its running out of time.
by skrubol May 7, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
There are a lot of people, and a huge number of businesses that are actively avoiding Vista. I'd say most individuals avoiding Vista are doing it due to bad things they've heard of Vista, and most would be fine with it if they ever used it. Businesses have better reasons, app compatibility, and speed on more marginal hardware.
Win 7 should finally get most who are sticking to XP to upgrade (though some businesses will probably wait for SP1.)
by Renegade Knight May 7, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
Maintstream relies on the informed to guide them. They will buy 7 and avoid Vista.
by chrgeorgeson May 7, 2009 8:47 AM PDT
It'll be a hit guys...
I'm sorry to burst any bubbles that the MS haters might have but this is what businesses are going to switch to, like it or not.
OEM's are going to ship it out on all new PC's.
Most 'average' users don't trust themselves to upgrade/reformat there systems to a new OS anyway so that isn't a shock that most people with a current system of XP/Vista will not go out and buy a copy of WIN7. That isn't a surprise to anyone.
This is why MS want's IT Pros to like 7 in the business environment. Licensing is where the money is in software and that probably won't change anytime soon.
XP obviously has a huge install base since it's been out since late 2001. Win 7 will be out for 3-3 1/2 years and unless the netbook market really does flourish it probably won't reach the same amount of in home installs in that time frame.
by kcotham May 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT
Microsoft has put themselves in an awkward position. They have such a huge market that they have to hold on to legacy compatibility. And since Windows XP is "adequate" for most uses, most people will not upgrade. They'll have to rely on new computer sales (which will be enough, because hardware becomes obsolete as software demands increase). In order to make people want to upgrade they will have to:

1. Make a huge technological leap forward, leaving legacy compatibility in the dust
2. Wait for people to buy new computers with Windows 7 already installed
3. Wait for software that requires some special features only available on Windows 7 to pop up into the market.

Apple was able to move forward from legacy Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X much more easily for several reasons:

1. Their user base was much smaller, allowing a quicker adoption rate.
2. They included "Classic" mode in Mac OS X to allow people to continue to use old software until new Mac OS X versions came available.

Microsoft will be hard pressed to convince people to buy retail versions of Windows 7.
by SteveMcQwark May 5, 2009 8:17 PM PDT
Erratum: The beta will start intentionally shutting down every two hours on MARCH 1, 2009.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/installation-instructions.aspx
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by SteveMcQwark May 5, 2009 8:21 PM PDT
Hehehe oops, nvm that was RC and 2010
by TheTechKid May 5, 2009 8:19 PM PDT
Wait...one of the BIGGEST improvements, from my point of view, was the level of bluetooth support included...anyone know if the BETA's level of bluetooth support is going to be in the final release or not?
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by May 6, 2009 10:53 AM PDT
I installed the RC last night, and my Bluetooth Rocketfish mouse worked just fine. I have a seperate USB Bluetooth adapter since my PC doesn't have bluetooth built in like my laptop does. No additional software required.

Not sure why they said BT wasn't included natively... it worked just as the last beta.
by Renegade Knight May 7, 2009 7:43 AM PDT
I sure hope so. I've never had any luck using Bluetooth with Windoze.
by adamsusong May 5, 2009 8:31 PM PDT
I installed TrendMicro (@ work), and within minutes recieved a Blue Screen of Death. Haven't been able to boot normally since. I'm glad I installed on an extra computer. I'll have to keep experimenting, but I'm impressed yet.
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by loose_screw May 6, 2009 2:15 AM PDT
Or try it on a virtual machine. You don't expect a new OS to be 100% compatible with existing software, do you? Especially one that probably delves deep into the kernel, like antivirus software, that was designed for an older OS.

Keep your expectations real, people.
by shycelticwitch May 6, 2009 1:05 PM PDT
My expectations are very real. I expect to be able to install a new OS on a 5 year old computer. With Mac I have done that repeatedly, with NO issues. Quite the opposite with Windows. If I did not need a PC to open Publisher files I would not waste the desk space with a Windows computer.
by drno7 May 6, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
then don't use TrendMicro..use AVG...
by davrosthedalek May 7, 2009 4:27 AM PDT
TrendMicro? I've never met anyone who uses that.
by unifex_ May 7, 2009 6:05 AM PDT
Do you have an old machine? Was your OS 32 or 64 bit? Why on Earth would you use TrendMicro? Still, was their software Vista-ready?

Why would anyone want to install new OS on a five-year old machine? What's wrong with the old one you got there? Are there any apps that will run exclusively on Win 7?
by skrubol May 7, 2009 7:32 AM PDT
If you don't know to research whether your AV software has issues with Win 7 before intsalling it, you probably shouldn't be installing a pre release OS. This has nothing to do with the age of the computer, you installed software which hacks to the core of the OS.
by beat_elite May 5, 2009 8:58 PM PDT
i don't trust many programs when they're in their early stages so i'll wait till windows 7 comes out before i upgrade my XP. however, the improvements im hearing about right now seem pretty cool especially the upgraded windows media player stuff. now that windows 7 seems alright, can microsoft work a little bit more on the Zune HD plz?
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by owensguillen May 5, 2009 9:19 PM PDT
i tried installing it i made the iso dvd and started running it but i get this error :0x8007045d and it cancels the installation, i made another dvd at a lower burning speed and this one freezes copying files never gets passed 47% ... so i just can't get it to run in my machine which i already have the windows 7 beta but the touch pad of the mouse doesn't work correctly .. it won't scroll so i decided to install windows 7 rc but i had no luck sadly :( any thoughts anybody?
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by FireyIce01 May 5, 2009 9:28 PM PDT
possibly a corrupt ISO? I had no problems burning (but was on an XP machine)
by dracoaffectus May 6, 2009 1:44 AM PDT
I've heard MS is strongly recommending Windows 7 Beta users wipe their hard drive before installing the RC (backup your data first). That could solve your problem, but I'm not sure. I think I had that problem when I first installed 7 beta, but I don't remember what fixed it.

I've read that it could be a problem with your DVD, you could try burning it again. And i've read you might have to fix the boot sector before you install.
by kakman1 May 5, 2009 9:23 PM PDT
Windows 7 XP Mode was the dealbreaker. You need the right hardware to run it and it isn't sandboxed , so you need to buy security for two OSes. One is better off using third party virtualization, or better yet, employ either latest Novell's SLED or openSUSE iteration and use that VM included to run XP, or get a Mac and install Parallels, so you can run XP and your XP apps.

OTOH, by 2014, operating systems won't matter as everything will be running off the web via a browser. Kids will be asking, "What's a desktop?"
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by FireyIce01 May 5, 2009 9:31 PM PDT
I have serious problems with the concept of cloud computing. Security is an issue, and network speed is an issue. We shall see how those things are handled, but I still feel like the cloud is a great concept that's going to fall flat. It's seriously going to take way more resources to run photoshop in a cloud than it is to have it on my laptop. Also, what happens when the network goes down (cause that never happens, right?) and you have work to do. The cloud is a good idea on paper, but I don't see it taking off until several issues are properly addressed (google gears is a good step in the right direction, but still inadequate)
by dracoaffectus May 6, 2009 2:07 AM PDT
Most consumers won't need the XP Mode, which is probably why it's not included with the Windows 7.

I've been using Windows 7 since the beta was released and have yet to encounter a program that didn't run just fine, that includes drivers for 3 computers and a variety of software and games. In fact, at one time I tried to reformat my computer to XP and ran into major problems with drivers not being installed (no ethernet, and no wireless drivers means no internet to download those drivers); I then installed Windows 7 beta and all the drivers were there. Similar can be said about my 5 year old desktop. As for software, I've installed a variety of browsers, media players, developer environments (I was kinda surprised when Dynamic C worked), and games (I got nostalgic for "Chip's Challenge" a couple months ago) without the need for an "XP Mode" (which was not in the beta).

Now I know just because I haven't run into XP specific applications that won't install in 7 doesn't mean they're not out there. But I think my experience shows it's fair to say that the average user won't run into that problem either.
by loose_screw May 6, 2009 2:21 AM PDT
@dracoaffectus: users of older hardware may find XP mode useful, particularly people like me with older TV cards and printers that won't have 64bit drivers to run with Win7. I wish MS would make XP mode a free optional plug-in with all versions of Win7, and not just for business users.
by DrtyDogg May 6, 2009 3:11 AM PDT
@loose: if it is that important to you, Ultimate is available with XP mode.
by kakman1 May 6, 2009 4:20 AM PDT
@ FireyIce01
Cloud computing still has a lot of issues, but it is inevitable, like it or not. You'll even be able to do resource intense programs akin to Photoshop (probably better because they'll work out real time and pipe issues). OTOH, because of the possibility of one being cut off from the cloud, there will always be backup storage for your files and programs. There will always be antiquarian geeks running boxes with VMs running ancient OSes running fave old programs. (You'd think Haiku community would hang it up and put their coding talents towards building something truly useful, than emulating a now obsolete OS that modern Unix based OSes run rings around.)
by unifex_ May 7, 2009 6:07 AM PDT
@ kakman - It's a long way till 2014 - and are you sure you can read the future? How about Saturdays lotto numbers?
by skrubol May 7, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
Cloud computing may be inevitable, but it won't take over entirely anywhere near 2014. CAD, animation work, HD video editing, etc will need excess of 1 Gbps bandwidth to do their work the way they do now (uncompressed 60Hz full HD video takes about 3Gbps, many high-end users have much higher resolution displays today.)
by deniceels May 7, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
Well, cloud computing? It'll probably take off in Australia IF/WHEN those friendly ISPs start providing unlimited (AND without shaping) for data. Else, it's all in the clouds... (I'll keep on dreaming).

Still, at the end, if I'm at locations where there's no internet (read aeroplane or sea or desert) or even areas where there's poor quality of network, it won't work. Imagine millions to billion of users on the internet using a software off a desktop containing the OS which still means we'll need the nice old desktop/laptop/PDA with most of the basic components to run.

It's only going to be good running intranetly as you can run it off the server, yet maintaining the bandwidth.
by Lerianis3 May 7, 2009 5:39 PM PDT
Sorry, kakman1, but we will NEVER be running off the web via a browser, with all the intermittent drops in connections that most people have even with broadband connections.
Maybe 200 years in the future, when everyone has super-wide-band wireless internet, we will have no desktop on our computers.... but not until then.
by rabbitkillrun May 13, 2009 1:30 PM PDT
cloud computing isn't going to happen anytime soon. it has been reported repeatedly recently that the "internet is too full". Not a very technically-correct statement, but we ARE running out of IP addresses, and network bandwidth is constantly being pushed to its limits. Just google it and you'll find more information on this.

Also, as astleast one person said already, running things like games, CAD software, video editing (HD camcorders are rapidly decreasing in price), etc is going to take a LOT of bandwidth, and the time taken for the data to get from your comptuer to the cloud and for it to reply will be noticible to anyone that doesn't have an incredibly small latency with the cloud...
by soonerskeene May 5, 2009 9:55 PM PDT
It came with bluetooth support for me. Clean install, and bluetooth "just worked" on my laptop to connect to my Windows Phone for activesync through Mobile Device Center.
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by Shawn_Davis May 5, 2009 11:24 PM PDT
I tried the beta and wasn't impressed. Still the same clunky old windows. Not a fun user experience in my opinion. If Apple can get it right, you would think that Microsoft could too.
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by kelmon May 6, 2009 4:16 AM PDT
I tend to agree but I will say that Windows 7 is much less annoying than Windows XP so improvements have definitely been made. My current issue with Windows 7 (Beta - I'm giving it a few days before trying to download the RC) is that windows still do not scroll correctly when I mouse over them and use the scroll wheel. Under OS X the window will always scroll, even if it is for a background application. Under Windows you have to click in the panel to ensure that it has focus and will receive the scroll event, which is both annoying and will change your active application if the window belongs to one running in the background. It sounds minor but I find it maddening.
by loose_screw May 6, 2009 4:54 AM PDT
@kelmon - I have to agree, Apple's UI is more polished and intuitive than their competitors often times. There are little details that you would just expect "to work" (to borrow the paraphrase), and it makes your head scratch when they don't work as one would anticipate on other companies' products.

Still, Win7 is obviously a step up for Microsoft, and one that has no doubt been spurred on partly by competition from Apple. I see this as a win for most consumers, and in turn it will spur Apple to innovate as well, so it's definitely a good thing IMO.
by Lerianis3 May 7, 2009 5:40 PM PDT
Okay, what in the world are you saying that is 'clunky' about WIndows 7? Please, enlighten me with specifics so that I can shoot down your BS statements. The fact is that there is absolutely NOTHING clunky about Windows 7. Everyone works the way that it should, and there is nothing really 'hidden' in it except for VERY advanced user functions.
by Disgruntled_PC_User May 6, 2009 12:02 AM PDT
I use a PC and used to be a big Microsoft fan, what turned me off of Microsoft products was the complete lack of innovation and the continual copying of others software and ideas. I didnt have a problem with Microsoft until i was forced into using a Vista PC that ran slow but was "Vista Ready". All of the different OS's have their good points and bad points, the problem is Microsoft controls so much of the market that they have no need to make something new and better, Balmer said himself that Windows 7 was a Vista upgrade not a brand new OS. If apple would drop their prices or license their OS for other systems then we would start seeing better features.
When will Apple figure this out and when will Microsoft make something that is truly theirs?
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by dracoaffectus May 6, 2009 2:18 AM PDT
I've been told by Apple fans that it would be stupid for Apple to license their OS. From what I can tell, that would open up Apple to more viral threats and compatibility issues. The kind of problems that have plagued Windows for years.

I see Windows 7 as "Windows Vista, the way it should have been in the first place", a full upgrade would be nice, but it's enough of an improvement to be worth it. (Especially if they give a discount to people who actually paid for Vista).
by kelmon May 6, 2009 4:19 AM PDT
Well, the problem for Apple is that licensing the OS and allowing other manufacturers to produce cheap Macs would effectively destroy the company. Apple makes money from hardware, not software, so if you take away the hardware business then there will be no OS X. This happened in the past and would no doubt happen again. OS X is not the product that you are buying - it's just something that makes the Mac hardware more attractive, much like the iLife software suite.
by colour_of_ash May 7, 2009 1:54 AM PDT
@ kelmon...

That's pretty funny considering that Apple makes very little IF ANY of their own hardware. I suppose they get credit by how it's laid out inside or something, yet do people really care about what's on the inside that counts.

The problem with Apple is that it can't make up it's mind whether they are a software company or a hardware one. Diversification is nice for a company to have, but sometimes, corporations need priority as in which is their primary job or objective. Apple simply uses their OS X as an excuse on why you "have" to pay over twice as much for the same Intel or Nvidia circuits that pretty much every PC contains. You can call it a Mac however you like, but it's still only a personal computer just like any other Dell or HP.

The other issue you must consider is that OS X answers to only one box whereas Windows has to cater to everyone else. If OS X is such a great operating system, why can't Apple do the same as MS and still make money. Neither one has come up with their own uniqueness without copying from another company, yet MS has continued to hold a mass market even despite their bad press from ME and/or Vista. I'm all too certain that if Windows only had to run on one platform then they wouldn't have the gripes they conjure up. However, had Macs ran on many other "different" machines, you'd all be complaining about this and that.

I don't like to say much else without it starting a witch hunt from the fanatics, but I personally think that Apple is scared to let their baby out to play with others. Say what you must about Windows, still, I've never seen a more closed system than Apple's. They could've easily had a business model similar to MS's that at the very least would garner them nearer to 50% of the market as we know it and still be reasonable in price. But take that with a grain of salt and try not to rub it in the wounds left where your wallet use to be.

Apple's only claim to fame is its marketing because really who cares what runs in the background as long as it does as you need it to. I just think it's just sad how it mimics what matters in the world -- beauty before brains.
by RobertAPierce May 6, 2009 5:13 AM PDT
I love how the apple fanbois feel the need to jump in and try and take another jab at windows. Nobody cares that you love your mac, in terms of market numbers and percentage of total users, you are the meaningless fringe. Congratulations that you will keep using your mac, I'm glad you found something that works for you.

Windows 7 looks like it has some interesting features, and it definitely looks like all the things that Vista should have been.... I'll give it a try to see how it does. My main issue with vista was that it just feels "sluggish", no matter what hardware you have to run it. Hopefully Windows 7 is not that sluggish.
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by deecee May 7, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
I thought Vista was sluggish when I tried Vista 32 bit running on laptops in local electronic stores, then my home theater PC died and I can't find my XP install code, soI upgraded to a Core 2 Duo with 4GB RAM and bought Vista 64 bit SP1 home premium because it's the cheapest Windows OS out there (other than Vista basic I guess, but who wants that) and it's 64 bit and I wanted all 4 GB of my RAM. Surprisingly with 64bit Vista on a C2D, the HTPC system feels amazingly smooth even compared to my main desktop with a Core 2 Quad with 4GB RAM on XP pro (the C2D in the HTPC is actually at a slower clock speed than the C2Q in my main box). So I have high hopes for WIndows 7 upgrade for my main desktop PC when it comes out. I just don't look forward to having to backup all of my data and reformat my hard disk and re-install all of my programs.
I absotely hate the windows registry set up, making upgrade a nightmare!!
But I sure am not screwing around with a RC and will wait for SP1 before upgrading to Windows 7, I don't like being a guinea pig.
by MikeyB59 May 13, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
I'll be one more. For lots of things Windows is fine and if you're gaming or doing something that requires hotrodding a machine, go for it. If you just want a computer for music/graphics or creative pursuits in general and/or a computer that allows you to do whatever you got the computer for (other than geek out on fixing your computer), Mac is far superior. I'm an IT person who deals with Windows machines all day every day. I recently got a Mac laptop for music composition/recording purposes. Compared to previous Windows machines, my Mac has already paid for itself in 6 months in terms of the cost of my time NOT spent dealing with issues most Windows users deal with even when everything is going right. My Mac updates itself automatically, never hanging and never taking more than 10 minutes. I just downloaded a whole new OS update (280 meg) in 3 minutes. Try doing that off a MS server. I cloned my entire OS to an external HDD, removed the internal drive, put the external drive in and it ran perfectly immediately. Included with OS...no Ghost necessary and not one issue. Try that with Windows.

After initially replacing the HDD with a 320 gig 7200rpm drive and maxing out ram which took about an hour and 15 minutes total, I haven't spent a single minute dealing with a technical and/or driver issue beyond its' initial install. Windows users? Any version. Virus issues? I'm not even running AV. I know it's stupid and I'm going to get one, but I've had no problems. The IBM laptop I was going to use before was infested within the 15 minute period when I went to get a couple of drivers from IBM after a brand new clean OS XP install. Had to wipe and start over. Ordinary users don't want/need that kind of crap. Get a Mac and they won't be dealing with it. When they've spent a weekend/week/month/year wondering why their computer is slower and slower and won't do whatever they bought it to do, suddenly a bit more $ up front doesn't seem like such a big thing. Combine that with the fact that they're likely to hold onto it for a year or 2 more and the $ seems like less and less of a thing.

I agree that Macs are overpriced and only got a Macbook Pro when the new models came out and I found new older models with a huge price drop. Alternately I've seen Dual Core Macbooks for $600 and less used that I'd highly recommend. I'm sure I'll use Windows 7 and hope it's the improvement people seem to think it is. I do hate some things about my Mac, mostly Itunes. It's completely ridiculous that I have to import a song into Itunes to play it, so I've skipped Itunes for now. I'd miss a right mouse button, but two finger click on my track pad is the same thing.

If you took people with no experience and gave them a Mac and a PC as their first computer, cost ignored, my guess is 80% would like the Mac better.
by dk12rk May 6, 2009 6:57 AM PDT
This article is about Windows 7 release candidate. I was looking for comments on user experience on the new release to see if I should try it now or wait.
But what do you see, the apple dogs are here barking about how they love their MAC and won't ever switch to Windows. Get the **** out of here.
Please comment only if you have tried out RC7 and have comments about the features, favorable or unfavorable.
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by Sausagebiscuit May 6, 2009 7:52 AM PDT
"Please comment only if you have tried out RC7 and have comments about the features, favorable or unfavorable."

Uhm, do as I say not as I do?
by man_w_balls May 6, 2009 8:45 AM PDT
Boo hoo, the PC fanboys are upset that the Mac fanboys are trolling the Windows 7 article.
Like PC users never troll the Mac articles huh? The big Mac vs PC argument is CNet's main source of ad-revenue and comments, from what I've seen.
Just look up any article on Apple products or issues from the past on here, and count the number of comments, then compare it to a non-Apple subject article. This is why CNet runs so many articles on Apple news issues - it simply gets attention! Web page loads, whether it be to flame or praise via comment, usually load ads and CNet gets their 2¢. And judging by the large number of blank areas on this page, there should have been some banners and stuff that my Safari AdBlock blocked for me.

Main point: As long as PC trolls troll the Mac articles, Mac trolls will reciprocate. Continue...
by monkeyfun14 May 6, 2009 9:21 AM PDT
@man

But Mac users tend to troll more.

There is the occasional PC user troll but thats rare most of the time PC users just defend there OS because idiots spread FUD.

Go look at any PC article and tell me who starts the flame wars.
by kcotham May 7, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
@mon
"Mac users tend to troll more". This coming from the biggest troll on CNET, monkeyfun14. By the way are you 14 years old?
by zextron May 6, 2009 7:39 AM PDT
Professional users, IT specialists and software developers find in Microsoft tools that Apple does not have. I work fulltime on software development and I can tell you that Microsoft development environment is very good. Sure, it?s expensive for professionals, though it has free versions for the hobbyist, but I?m willing to pay for something that?s really good. To the crowd like me Windows 7 is a big step forward.
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