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May 5, 2009 4:14 PM PDT

Hands on Zimbra Desktop, Yahoo's Outlook sub

by Jessica Dolcourt
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If you could collect your Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, and corporate messages into a single in-box, would you switch?

The convenience of a universal e-mail in-box is what gives Yahoo's offline, open-source, cross-platform Zimbra Desktop its appeal (Windows | Mac).

Then there are the other tools to tag and search messages that elevate the Web mail experience beyond what your POP and IMAP services may offer on their own. However, for many, Zimbra's ambitions, abilities, and the sticky tangle of its distribution will keep it an interesting experiment, but not yet a standalone replacement.

While Zimbra Desktop is available to anyone as a free download, the Zimbra team really had its existing users in mind as the chief beneficiaries of this release. The majority of Zimbra's 43 million paid customers come through businesses that are especially drawn to its collaboration tools (like sharing entire address books, documents, and in-boxes) and which typically use Zimbra's back-end server in place of the Microsoft Exchange Server.

Zimbra's online in-box, and now its offline desktop app, take on the role of the Outlook in-box. As with Outlook, the organization will assign the e-mail address. However, it also has an open-source following of people who run the server and desktop app to get these sharing capabilities for free.

Zimbra in-box

Zimbra has some useful features even if you don't have a supported account.

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The benefits of the Zimbra Desktop for these pre-existing users is significant. They can import third-party e-mail and supported third-party calendars in discrete in-boxes, and view expanded and contracted in-boxes in the familiar left-hand organization pane. For each account, including third-party Web mail, they can tag messages, search through e-mail, contacts, and calendar appointments, and view conversations that are organized together not so unlike Gmail's threading.

Zimbra account holders can additionally create wiki documents within Zimbra Desktop and share them with other Zimbra users. They can upload files into a local briefcase (this is separate from Yahoo's now-defunct Briefcase service,) and as mentioned above, can right-click e-mail in-boxes, contacts lists, and other content to export to another Zimbra user's Zimbra in-box within the organization.

These advanced sharing services are the e-mailing ideal, but not available to those of us who aren't on Zimbra's server (more on this below).

And if you don't have Zimbra-supported e-mail?
There's still some use in downloading Zimbra Desktop to help manage your third-party e-mail accounts, but complications and qualifications abound. You should be able to add any e-mail account that supports POP and IMAP standards, plus Yahoo e-mail, contacts, and calendar, and the same from Gmail. If your IT admins make your Outlook Exchange Server settings available to you, you'll be able to get your business e-mail as well.

Zimbra desktop conversation organizer

Expandable subject groupings aren't exactly threaded like Gmail, but they similarly organize.

(Credit: CNET)

These third-party services are branded with a beta marker, a wise warning, since some work with a caveat. Hotmail, for example, will integrate with Zimbra Desktop, so long as you have a paid Hotmail Plus account, or have been grandfathered in from the Outlook Express days.

When you sign up in Zimbra, this is noted by the collapsed link "must allow client access." Likewise, the bumpy support for Gmail doesn't yet convert Gmail labels into Zimbra tags, and Zimbra Desktop 1.0 merges Gmail address book contacts in a way that only surfaces those contacts you've added by hand, not the contacts captured through day-to-day e-mailing. Zimbra says they're working on a fix, which should be released in a few weeks.

Once you've got your in-boxes migrated over, you'll be able to take advantage of searching through mail messages and adding tags, even if your third-party client doesn't support those features by default. Zimbra's ability to group conversations in any mail service is another benefit. Unlike Gmail's service, it won't thread conversations within a single in-box entry, but it will signify with an arrow tip in the margin when there's more than one message with the same subject line.

You'll still be able to create documents in Zimbra if you're using it to sort third-party accounts, but at this point they must route through the Zimbra server in order to share the link. In the future, these documents will send as external attachments, perhaps as soon as June.

Performance and accessibility
Since we didn't have access to a Zimbra-supported account, and therefore to its more advanced collaboration features, the program's overall performance is harder to gauge. Difficulties in setting up our unsupported Hotmail in-box and Zimbra's inability to import 90 percent of our Google contacts makes us hesitant to recommend it as anything more than a companion product for non-Zimbra users.

At more than 40MB for Windows and Mac editions, it was also slow to install and load. However, if you've got lots of space, the calendar importing, conversation view, and search fields are nice bonuses, as is the convenience of viewing multiple Web mail in-boxes in a single program interface.

While Zimbra's stated demographic with the Zimbra Desktop are its registered users, it doesn't help its cause that it takes effort to sign up for a Zimbra account. Most consumers find Zimbra through an organization that uses it; others may go through an Internet Service Provider or hosted partner that might sell subscriptions to Zimbra-powered features under the company's own name.

An open-source subset may run the open-source Zimbra Collaboration Suite on their networks, but for folks without a finger on the pulse of the open-source community, finding one of these to plug into could take more motivation than its worth.

Zimbra Desktop certainly has some budding in-box concepts we'd like to see ripen, but until Yahoo's Zimbra team can smooth out the grafting challenges with Gmail and other third-party services, those without Zimbra accounts who are feeling less experimental ought to stick to Thunderbird (Windows|Mac) as an Outlook alternative.

Jessica Dolcourt reviews the latest and greatest smartphone apps, in addition to a healthy dose of Windows software. E-mail Jessica and follow her on Twitter.
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by eliotte May 5, 2009 5:19 PM PDT
iphonemail (http://www.iphonemail.net) is powerade by zimbra and it's free. So if you're looking to test zimbra, iPhonemail is your solution!
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by NutMac May 5, 2009 6:03 PM PDT
No mention of how ugly the app is (particularly given Java heritage)?
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by davemac2009 May 5, 2009 6:22 PM PDT
As nice as the features might be, the thing I don't like about it is that it looks a bit too cartoonish, gaudy, and very unprofessional looking.

Why must programmers insist on using an overabundance of mish-mash icon instead of a clean sleek interface instead?
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by BOTNET May 5, 2009 6:43 PM PDT
totally agree... this is how would BeOS look like in 2006 (if it would be stil around)
by Orion Blastar May 5, 2009 6:23 PM PDT
Why should I use this instead of the Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 with Lightning 0.9 Calendar addon and Webmail addons for GMail, Hotmail, Yahoo Mail, etc?

My turn off is that I have to register a Zimbra account, and it didn't say if I had to pay a fee to activate that account or if there is a subscription service I have to pay for in order to use it. I am guessing I'll have to pay for it in some way. But I have a SBC account via Yahoo's Mail service and I don't know if that means I get a free Zimbra account out of that. If the later is the case, I might try Zimbra if I can get a Zimbra account for free via my ISP. But if not, I am sticking to Thunderbird for now.
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by BOTNET May 5, 2009 6:45 PM PDT
"Since we didn't have access to a Zimbra-supported account, and therefore to its more advanced collaboration features, the program's overall performance is harder to gauge. "

then why do you write a review in the first place?
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by gggg sssss May 5, 2009 8:14 PM PDT
pointless and not nearly an outlook replacement if it does not support exchange.
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by loose_screw May 6, 2009 3:37 AM PDT
I prefer webmail for personal usage, and there's about 0% chance my employer will switch from Outlook to Zimbra.

I think many others are in the same boat, so this whole debate is a moot point for most people.
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by topher2041 May 6, 2009 6:19 AM PDT
Just wanted to chime in on Zimbra Desktop application. We have moved to the Zimbra exchange server for our office. We have been test the desktop application for the MAC and PC. A couple of comments on why I still use Entourage over the Zimbra desktop.

The Zimbra program is not what I would call a native MAC application. It is actually a web (I think AJAX) application. So you cannot drag and drop into the application. If you want to add attachments to an email you have to add them like you would in a web application. One at a time by clicking browse picking the file and do this for each one. For downloading attachments. When you double click on the attachment it has to download it to you download folder and then it opens. You then have to delete the downloaded file. It does not use a temp directory.

In Tasks you are not allow you to set reminders. It is just a list with due date. I use tasks all the time but without reminders what is the point.

Not sure on the MAC but on the PC, since to is a web app, it has to install web services for the app to run. On older pc this is a memory hog and really is not need if it was just a regular app. Check out where Zimbra is installed. It is one of the only programs that have seen that is not installed in the machine application folder and each user accesses it, with there own profiles for each user. It actually has to installed for each user and gets installed into your User/documents folder with a shortcut to you application folder. So in our case you have install this application for each user on a machine. WHY! They have said that they do not support multiple users on application, yet. Why not! What application does not support multiple users?

Still using Entourage and will not switch until some major upgrades and changes are made.
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by cpscottt May 6, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
We use Zimbra in our office, and it is SLOOOOOWWWW. Very frustrating to use at times. I convinced our IT person to let me keep using Microsoft Outlook...that's all I need...no frills email.
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by gggg sssss May 6, 2009 6:04 PM PDT
curious, why would any organization jump onto this? eeking a clue or two.
by chris_sundown13 May 6, 2009 6:58 AM PDT
Zimbra looks like yahoo mail but with different themes. I use this as my default e-mail program for gmail as it's the only e-mail program that syncs as well as it dose. It syncs calenders, emails, and contacts. It also treats labels as folders as they should be. Labels in gmail never really made since as most email apps see them as folders (Outlook, Thunderbird, etc.). "Gmail doesn't yet convert Gmail labels into Zimbra tags." Why worry about tagging as it sees them as folders as they really should be. I think gmail should get read of tagging and just have folders like every one else.
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by Yeller989 May 6, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
I've tried Zimbra as a desktop replacement for Yahoo mail multiple times. And each time I end up removing it from my laptop. I have high hopes for this application, but the same problems persist.

The primary reason I remove this application is the speed in which it updates itself. It's excruciatingly slow, even though the sync intervals are set at 1 minute. 3-4 hours go by before new emails show up, and while email is not real time, 3 hours is unacceptable.

The tabs are clumsy, and overall interface needs to be freshened up, and reeks of beta.
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by Darrelray777 May 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
I am reluctant to try this, as I once used yahoo as my mail account. Mine and my brothers yahoo accounts were always getting hacked into, no matter how we tried to keep it secure.. Is this program hacker free? anyone have any troubles as far as break ins to accounts?
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by jcorkrum May 9, 2009 12:39 PM PDT
This is a nice program for many folks, might even be a good replacement for Outlook. But, if one has spent the money for Outlook already, this is not that great. The biggest problem I had was the calendars kept disappearing. If you open them in one view, it was fine, but if you changed views, all of a sudden you have no calendar data.

A nice try and may work for many, but not for me. Outlook, sad to say, works better for my purposes.
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