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January 26, 2009 5:12 PM PST

Worth the wait for IE 8 Release Candidate 1?

by Seth Rosenblatt
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If you've played around with the previous beta versions of Internet Explorer 8, there's not much new in today's IE 8 Release Candidate 1. The feature improvements from IE 7 haven't changed: Web slices, InPrivate browsing, and Microsoft's new add-on system known as Accelerators remain the big-ticket items. Security enhancements include the SmartScreen Filter, which warns you in advance if other users have reported an URL as suspicious.

Users can force-add sites to the Compatibility script in IE 8 RC1.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

What has been improved in the RC is stability. Users who experienced persistent and irritating browser crashes should expect to see a much more stable browsing environment. The Compatibility feature has been automated to a large degree, which means that the browser will detect and re-render Web sites designed for IE 7 that wouldn't otherwise load properly in IE 8.

The problem is that high-traffic Web sites that don't cause problems in other browsers still don't play well with IE 8, necessitating this "compatibility" fix. Maybe Internet Explorer can get around to being Web standards compliant in IE 9.

Users can finally force-add a Web site to be re-rendered by the Compatibility script. Under Tools, click on Compatibility View settings to add or remove a site. You can also disable the script by unchecking the box for using updated lists from Microsoft that appears at the bottom of the settings window.

Accelerators are links that cut out the steps needed to blog, tweet, or use Facebook.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

I also found that IE 8 felt slower to load, and it's definitely slower to run: IE 8 RC1 clocked a SunSpider JavaScript test at 9,874 ms, compared with Firefox 3.1 beta 2's 3,212 ms. Granted, the release candidate is faster than IE 8 beta 2's 12,395 ms. All of these were tested on a Windows Vista Pentium 4 with 2 GB of RAM.

Despite the time that Microsoft has spent developing IE 8, they've proven to be reluctant to react to market-wide browser changes. Users who notice similarities between how Firefox, Chrome, and Opera look, feel, and operate, will be struck by how dissimilar IE 8 is. The lack of a smart URI bar stood out for me in particular. Although you can search in IE 8 from the location bar, it won't take you directly to a page in IE 8. Search for "CNET Download" in Firefox, and you'll be taken directly to download.com. Search for it in IE 8, and you're given a list of results from your preferred search engine.

The address bar will pull matches from your history and favorites list as you type, but that's still an extra step that I've moved away from.

Opening a new tab was an exercise in boredom served with a layer of frustration, too, as the CTRL+T hot key froze IE 8 and took more than 30 seconds. The e-mail button, which brings your e-mail client to the front or opens it if it's closed, respects your default client choice. However, switching to the privacy browsing feature InPrivate opens a new window based at the top of your screen--regardless of where you've had IE living.

One aspect of InPrivate has changed. You can now turn on InPrivate Blocking on the Menubar under Safety, even when InPrivate hasn't been activated. This allows you to surf with a stricter level of third-party site security. It's not entirely clear what it can or can't block, though. It doesn't seem to block ads, but it can block news tickers.

If you've been using Internet Explorer 8 betas up until now, you'll probably enjoy finally getting a release candidate. Overall, there's nothing stunningly different here, so don't expect a massive shift in browser usage patterns from IE 8.

Microsoft has yet to announce a timeline for the stable release of IE 8, nor is a version currently available for the Windows 7 beta. A full list of changes is available in the IE 8 Release Candidate 1 changelog.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.
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by PeeGeeDon January 26, 2009 5:56 PM PST
Not only does IE8 turn off Norton's anti-phishing utility, but it doesn't work with Combarss, the Widget that offers RSS feeds.
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by zarion77 February 10, 2009 5:28 AM PST
i have windows vista with IE 8 and it also turns off my norton phishing tool every time i open IE. too. does not happen with IE 7 hope gets fixed
by dominic27b March 21, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
DON'T USE INTERNET EXPLORER! You should try Firefox, much faster, much more secure.
by AvatarXone January 26, 2009 6:58 PM PST
i don`t know what are you doing. i have installed it in several machines with XP and a Vista 64 and they run fantastic and the difference is from 50% faster in XP to almost double in Vista 64. and these are machines with 1gb and 2gb of ram with one core processors. i think your installation may be faulty.
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by PeeGeeDon January 27, 2009 6:58 PM PST
I'm running Vista Ultimate on a Gateway FX with an Intel Core2 Duo. I'm just going to wait for the next update of IE8. Symantec confirms the problem with IE8.
by louisconantiii January 28, 2009 4:10 PM PST
I am very comfortable with IE7...is IE8 a real improvement?
by mathcreative January 29, 2009 8:46 AM PST
louisconantii do you use ie as your main browser?
by Jimbo_Gray February 12, 2009 3:44 AM PST
Symantec goes as far as to recommend NOT downloading IE8. However, if you go to the Symantec blog, one of their tech folks discusses the phishing issue, and basically says, "don't worry about it, IE will "catch" that activity." (and this is from an employee of Symantec???? Yes, I have found that IE7 also wants to disable Norton's anti-phishing program.
by slecalvez January 26, 2009 7:10 PM PST
? Faster for accomplishing tasks, from mapping a location to checking the status of an auction. In side-by-side measures of speed, IE8 was as fast or faster than Firefox in opening top websites more than 50% of the time. The rest of the time you need an ultra-slow motion video camera to catch the difference between IE8, Firefox and Google Chrome.
? Easier to find information, to navigate, to search, to work with tabs. Accelerators and Web Slices blur the lines between the online services that make each person's browsing unique and the browser itself, making the IE8 experience richer.
? Safer and more reliable with advanced privacy protection that no other browser can match.


It's not better or worse than Chrome, FF or Opera. They are all different and match different use cases. I use all of them.
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by IKON44 January 28, 2009 4:37 PM PST
There was a time when I could say the same mate -- Now Firefox and IE are more buggy than ever and I no longer need opera


PS -- How do you get the addons to work Google Chrome?LOL
by Fred Brychta January 26, 2009 8:24 PM PST
Just downloaded IE8 RC1 to my WinXP Pro system and it looks just like the beta that I've been running since last November. Except for one thing - another NAG message to let me know that I have some add-ons disabled. Maybe I don't need some selected add-ons disabled but I need NAG messages even less. So now I have an annoying message on every tab & website I visit. Thanks Microsoft - this really will endear you to me and make me want to buy your products even more AND make me more productive. YUP!
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by Lerianis January 27, 2009 4:54 PM PST
Those 'nag messages' are very important. You should view what they are saying, at least, and then decide if they are 'worth it'. I find them very worth it.
by please_be_fai January 26, 2009 8:56 PM PST
" too, as the CTRL+T hot key froze IE 8 and took more than 30 seconds"!

You must be kidding me. I have been running IE8 RC for a while and it is really fast, especially the loading time. You must have done something wrong.
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by petrosbasileus February 15, 2009 11:52 PM PST
It's the Java(tm) Plug-in 2 SSV Helper. It makes the loading of new tabs take about 7 seconds longer... If the editor would do a search, they would find it's not the fault of Microsoft and is actually due to a shoddily coded third-party plug-in. But that's too much to ask of them... they wake up in the morning with a quota of anti-Microsoft statements to make. And they meet it--we all have borne witness to that.

As for the speed, IE8 is way faster than Firefox. And the 'smart address bar' in Firefox is clunky, unattractive, and takes up to much room. IE8's is scalable, shows one only what is needed, and matches the rest of the operating system's look. Opera and Chrome are jokes and I don't regard them as serious browsers in the least. They're niche browsers at best--destined to spend their entire existence along with Netscape and AOL Browser. IE8 matches Firefox feature for feature, and adds some Firefox still lacks.
by josey_walesss January 26, 2009 9:37 PM PST
installed, but when i launch it....it freezes, eventually goes to (not responding)
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by sroussey January 26, 2009 10:11 PM PST
"The problem is that high-traffic Web sites that don't cause problems in other browsers still don't play well with IE 8, necessitating this 'compatibility' fix. Maybe Internet Explorer can get around to being Web standards compliant in IE 9. "

Ouch. Or maybe it is because we all give MS browsers something for IE6/7 while IE8 works more like the others so our butchered version for IE now does more harm than good. IE8 isn't so bad on the standards it supports. A bit behind the times still, but sufficient. What MS does that fails us all is to still let the old versions survive rather than force upgraded.

"I also found that IE 8 felt slower to load" -- this sounds like you are comparing it to a previous version, where farther along you state that you are comparing it to Fx 3.1b (my favorite browser). I wish CNET would keep news rather than having everything be blogs. A journalist would instead write "As compared to the newest beta of Firefox 3.1, I found that IE felt slower to load..." rather this other crap.
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by Lerianis January 27, 2009 4:57 PM PST
sroussey, you are so right. The fact is that these 'compatibility necessary' websites shouldn't be supported by IE anymore. They should FORCE the companies in question to upgrade/rewrite their websites. And no, it is NOT that expensive to make a website, even a very complex one.

Heck, with the website authoring tools that I have seen recently, I could make a "Bank of America" clone website in less than 10 hours.
by darcydj January 28, 2009 9:57 AM PST
Microsoft cannot force upgrade you. There are several Applications and Appliances that dont work properly with IE7. They work fine with IE6. Clients that were upgraded are forced to use Firefox or some other browser. If the app is IE specific then they must downgrade to IE6.
by Lerianis January 28, 2009 6:47 PM PST
Those applications and appliances should be replaced if that is truly the case. The fact is that after about 8 years, a business should have turned over all of it's equipment. There is no reason for them to still be on applications that cannot work in ANY browser.
by austin_web_design January 26, 2009 10:51 PM PST
"Maybe Internet Explorer can get around to being Web standards compliant in IE 9. "
Thanks. I stopped reading right about here. I was afraid of this. I don't see why Microsoft has to release _another_ browser that needs "tweaking" and still call it progress. 2 massively popular non-compliant browsers were hard enough to deal with.
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by jaytee0 January 27, 2009 12:41 PM PST
You're the victim of CNET's shoddy journalism.

Internet Explorer 8 IS standards compliant. The problem is that websites which load different code for IE 6 and 7, to make up for their poor standards support, do the same for IE 8 when it doesn't need it! It's the duty of website designers to make sure their IE 6/7 hacks don't apply to IE 8.
by mcgmatt January 27, 2009 4:05 PM PST
If you don't want to develop for IE8, you don't have to. There's only one tweak you need:
meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7"
Backward-compatibility is amazing progress, considering that it's a Microsoft app, so at least they've done something right. The other thing they did right was to leave the stop/reload buttons immovable on the wrong side of the toolbar - that guarantees that users on Firefox won't even consider switching back.
by Waam January 28, 2009 9:40 AM PST
JAYTEE0 - That is precisely the problem though. IE 6 & 7 were so proprietary during Microsoft's monopoly years that the web is so broken now, and to release IE 8 fully web compliant is a good step in the right direction, but they still have taken advantage of the fact that the much of the web is IE 6 & 7 proprietary. By making IE 8 backwards compatible with sites optimized for IE 6 & 8 it doesn't encourage those websites to change their coding and open up for the world. That's a true monopolistic scheme.
by January 27, 2009 1:31 AM PST
I don't understand why Microsoft doesn't just give up on IE and bundle WIndows with Firefox, Chrome and Opera with an option to choose the browser during installation!
Or maybe they should make the code public, like Netscape did, and hope others can do a better job
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by anhtney January 27, 2009 5:22 AM PST
you know that on some websites IE is neccesary.
by Lerianis January 27, 2009 4:59 PM PST
Yeah, no, it isn't, Anhtney. IE is NOT necessary on any website that I have seen, that has been updated at all since 2001.
by Kj_Elliott January 28, 2009 8:31 AM PST
Unfortunately Lerianis, I have to disagree with your statement. With the release of Microsoft's very power content management system (SharePoint) there isn't much of a chance for Internet Explorer to disappear. Actually, alot of online applications since the beginning of the decade have been written with IE in mind.

Still for the freelance web developer and web designer of the Web 2.0 age, the desire to add multi-functional web-based applications to a website with intense Photoshop design makes browsers like Firefox, Safari, and Opera the preferred choice. This is what I use 85% of the time when I code, and the other 15% goes to IE (because 60-70% of my users run IE.)

Although most of Microsoft's programs are dated codes looking for renovation, from a business standpoint Microsoft's programs will never die because they offer the most in a bundle than any other company..EASILY..
by Lerianis January 28, 2009 6:49 PM PST
There is a little problem with Kj_Elliott's statement and reply.... those programs in question should be being used anymore, now that there are open-source and open standards programs that work just as well, if not better, and are compatible with Microsoft's old programs databases and files.
I will say again: there is NO website on the internet (I don't include company websites where they were stupid enough to allow their site writers to make them only IE compatible) that needs IE.
by DigitalAngelic February 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST
I must say I disagree. Any website that requires ActiveX controls to function requires IE. At least, as far as I know. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
by Dango517 January 27, 2009 4:01 AM PST
The question is not, "Is IE8 ready for the web", the question is, "Is the web ready for IE8". I've used it briefly, three times over many months and have had recurring problems with it due to web sites not being "up to speed" to run it. Myself, I'll be waiting a few months after it's release before installing it to give the web time to catch up. It is faster then IE7. I haven't been impressed with its features, yawn.
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by sroussey January 27, 2009 3:38 PM PST
That is what the compatibility switching icon is for, and why MS includes a service that updates the list based on when people use it on a site, so later other people don't have to click it. Of course, once the site sends IE standards compliant stuff, then it ignores its list and obeys the website.
by Dango517 January 29, 2009 10:55 AM PST
Due to a reoccurring problem with IE7 we've been having, we have IE8 installed again. The RC 1(!) is much better then the previous Betas and is having far fewer problems with web sites this "go around".

A note concerning the slow start problems mentioned in the article above ................ Internet Explorer is a far reaching application within the OS, it touches on many many components within the OS so time is needed for the system to adjust to this far reaching change. Make sure that it is installed within each user account on a PC and has been used for some time by each user before judging it. The system must adapt, this may take from a few hours to a few days. If you have "major" problems with it uninstall it and wait for a later version. Do try it again, however.

With the Betas we were removing it almost immediatly due to major problems.
by Jimbo_Gray February 12, 2009 3:55 AM PST
Symantec (Norton) even says on its website it is not going to offer upgrades or patches until IE8 is released (SP1) Who could blame any software company, during beta or the current RC1 status.
by pigubaoza January 27, 2009 5:28 AM PST
microsoft is taking advantage of its market share to not comply with standards.
most people actually think IE is the standard and that firefox is the one that renders stuff wrong.
they're taking advantage of that and saving some work. i guess.
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by Lerianis January 27, 2009 5:00 PM PST
Read again: IE8 IS totally standards compliant. Do the ACID2 test and you will see that.

The only 'standards' they don't support are the standards that haven't been finalized yet.
by random truth January 27, 2009 6:52 PM PST
Lerianis, ACID2 is not current. The newest browsers pass acid 3. Which IE only gets about 80% on. You need 100 to pass.
by Lerianis January 28, 2009 6:51 PM PST
ACID 3 is NOT a standard yet, Random Truth. It is a 'future programs' thing that IE8 wasn't even LOOKING AT when they were doing it, rightfully.
ACID 2 was reasonable because it only looked at very basic things..... ACID 3 goes into more complex functionality that.... well, there are DOZENS of ways to do them and still be compliant.
by Ted Miller January 27, 2009 6:22 AM PST
You really honestly think Microsoft will get anything right? And yes I am a Microsoft user who is not advocating any other operating system.
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by dougeg January 27, 2009 6:28 AM PST
i dont see the point in installing IE or any of them they all have problams they all have bugs spywhere anti hack they all need big work befour windows 7 big work
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by kewell82 January 27, 2009 1:22 PM PST
Are you still in Elementary School?
by MafiaPenguin March 25, 2009 11:00 PM PDT
yes he sure was- he got held back.
by ruben-online January 27, 2009 8:31 AM PST
MS really improved IE with this new features and interface. However I'm not convinced yet to change my ultra fast Chrome for IE8.
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by jcliftonmeek January 27, 2009 9:53 AM PST
This review is nuts, but the why is disingenuously thrown out and passed by: This reviewer used a PENTIUM 4 MACHINE. It is unlikely that someone running a P4 has the interest in upgrading, or has the RAM to accommodate any new software. Once again, the tech media is largely running a highly biased must-hate-MS campaign as opposed to providing objective facts using realistic testing schemas.
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by AvatarXone January 28, 2009 12:58 AM PST
Is even more nuts because i have myself installed it in 2 p4 one core 1gb of ram xp machines (one mine and one of my brother) and a vista 64 machine (one core and 2gb of ram) and there none of the issues the reviewer says.
by udins9 January 27, 2009 10:48 AM PST
I don't care how fast it might be, if you want to make it run faster you better buy a big memory and faster processor. Looking to the past IE6 and IE7 the major complain is mostly about security and privacy, stability issues is secondary thing... many Malware, trojan and other worms spread trough IE security problem... I just hope that Micro$oft addresses this problems or this could be disaster for them.
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by Lerianis January 28, 2009 6:53 PM PST
No, they don't. Most malware, spyware, trojans, etc. do NOT spread through IE, unless you are talking about downloading an .exe file with IE and then being stupid enough to run it without doing virus scanning.
by January 27, 2009 11:09 AM PST
iam having trouble downloading,can i get some help please?
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by jlimones January 27, 2009 12:28 PM PST
It seems everytime I go to google or gmail that the IE8 browser has serious "trouble" displaying the page. I have only noticed this with google and gmail.

INTERESTING??? Microsoft trying to block google's success????
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by monkeyfun14 January 27, 2009 1:04 PM PST
Or maybe Google just needs to support IE8 better?
by caseyboy January 27, 2009 1:52 PM PST
@monkeyfun14: "Or maybe Google just needs to support IE8 better?"

Yes! That must be it. Just because every other major browser including Firefox (on Mac and Windows), Opera, Chrome, Camino (on Mac), and Safari (on Windows, Mac, and iPhone) all happen to work flawlessly with Gmail then the problem MUST be Google! Certainly they need to work harder to be IE8 compliant.

Perfectly rational.
by sroussey January 27, 2009 3:45 PM PST
If you know anything about how gmail code is written, you would know that they write drivers for specific browsers -- they don't have a one code fits all approach, which is why it works well. And the gmail folks have said that they will have it setup for IE8 when IE8 codebase stops changing so much. Which is what the RC is all about. So soon they will start caring what the build system's unit tests, integration test, etc say for IE8. Even supporting Chrome required changes since it's version of webkit is so off from Sarari's.
by monkeyfun14 January 27, 2009 8:49 PM PST
@casey

Yeah cause its just more rational that MS offers the availability of google as a search engine but IE but they're just trying to block Google's success
by mkutilek January 27, 2009 1:01 PM PST
I'll be brief. It Stinks.
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by wiredchicken January 27, 2009 2:34 PM PST
DOES MCAFEE NOW WORK WITH INTERNET EXPLORER 8 NOW???????
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by Lerianis January 28, 2009 6:55 PM PST
NOPE! And I have to say, I am PISSED that it doesn't work with McAfee software STILL... there was no reason for a SMALL change to IE8 to make McAfee software unable to display messages, though McAfee shouldn't be relying on IE to display messages in the first place.
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