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October 22, 2008 5:36 PM PDT

Comcast launches faster Internet plans, but usage cap remains

by Josh Lowensohn

Communications provider Comcast on Wednesday announced two new tiers of service for heavy residential downloaders, along with speed upgrades for subscribers of its existing services.

The two new plans, dubbed "Extreme" and "Ultra" clock in at 50 and 22 Mbps of downstream respectively and 10 and 5 Mbps of upstream. Comparatively, customers of Comcast's "performance" plans are getting a big jump from 8 to 16 Mbps on the downspeed, however, upload performance remains at 2 Mbps.

The speed bumps, which are being rolled out to 10 major markets between now and next year come at a cost. The somewhat confusingly named Extreme and Ultra tiers come in at $139.95 and $62.95 a month, amounting to an annual cost close to $1,700 a year for subscribers of the Extreme--nearly three times that of Comcast's standard monthly residential service.

Alongside these residential tiers, Comcast is also introducing a new business tier called "Premium," which comes in at 22/5 Mbps down/up for $99.95 a month, as well as beefing up its Deluxe tier to match the Ultra plan at 50/10 Mbps down/up for $189.95 a month. Meanwhile, the "Starter" business tier has received a similar speed bump to that of the residential plans, moving from 6 to 12 Mbps.

So quickly--to sum up the new and updated plans:

Residential services
(new) Extreme 50 (50/10 Mbps down/up) - $139.95/month
(new) Ultra (22/5 Mbps down/up) - $62.95/month
Performance Plus (16/2 Mbps down/up) $52.95/month
Performance (12/2 Mbps down/up) - $42.95/month

Business services
Deluxe 50 (50/10 Mbps down/up) - $189.95/month
(new) Premium (22/5 Mbps down/up) - $99.95/month
Starter (12/2 Mbps down/up) - Price unknown

Cost aside, what may be the most controversial aspect of this speed bump is that subscribers of the residential plans will get no higher cap over the 250GB monthly limit which was instated earlier this October. Comcast's own release prides the new Extreme plan on letting customers "download a high-def movie (6 GB) in about 16 minutes, a standard-def movie (2 GB) in about 5 minutes and a standard-def TV show (300 MB) in a matter of seconds." Do the math and you'll see that an extreme subscriber could easily blow past the 250 GB cap in a matter of hours.

Comcast's PR representative Charlie Douglas tells me the cap will remain in place for residential customers, although for right now business customers are free to go over that. Any potential residential customers who think they may go over, the slightly more expensive business tiers might offer a safe haven from having your heavy bandwidth habit limited.

Originally posted at Webware
Josh Lowensohn writes for Webware.com, CNET's blog about Web applications and services. E-mail Josh, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/Josh.
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by lkrupp October 22, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
Something has to be done about the bandwidth hogs. Maybe charge by the megabyte. After all America is not a socialist nation. Oh wait...
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by Lerianis October 22, 2008 11:47 PM PDT
Nothing has to be done about the bandwidth hogs. We are paying for the SAME SERVICE THAT YOU ARE, which means that we should be able to use it at it's FULL RATED SPEED, 24/7.

If Comcast cannot support that, then Comcast needs to start upgrading their networks, especially the 'last mile' to the homes.
by Thomas, David October 23, 2008 5:30 AM PDT
Gah, did Comcast divert their ineptitude so well that you are blaming people instead of an irresponsible corporation who is more interested in figuring out ways to gouge the pockets of customers, even while they are in perilous grasp of a recession/depression!?

Do you believe Comcast or the people shouting at Comcast?!?
by celticbrewer October 23, 2008 6:00 AM PDT
Just wait until all those blu-ray haters start downloading/streaming HD films en mass. Ah yes, viva downloadable content! Until you hit Comcast's wall... What's that- 25 films a month as long as you don't download anything else, surf, or play online games? Sounds awesome!
by renGek October 23, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
Is there even a bandwidth problem ?? I can't recall the last time I was online through comcast and have the service come to a crawl because of high usage. So to me, this is all a manufactured perceived problem in order to justified the cap. After all, everytime these people are interviewed the reasons are different. If the real problem is truly usage then they would harp on that constantly. And if it was a problem then why is there no cap for the more expensive business plans? Are they on a different set of lines that is free of this problem....No, its the same line so whats the problem here?

I also note that there is no cheaper plan than the current residential plan. Didn't people say they would pay for a cheaper plan with lower speed. How come they didn't offer anything like that? No surprises here.
by jumpjetta October 22, 2008 8:14 PM PDT
Too bad that in many of the locations Comcast serves, there's no alternative provider of any significance. Which, of course, means no choice but to accept their B.S.
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by ikoiko October 23, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
I agree. Comcast basically has a monopoly in most markets...
by juliebly October 24, 2008 7:40 AM PDT
EXACTLY! I couldn't agree more! Kinda like our wonderful phone companies were and in some areas still are.
by babaker1983 October 22, 2008 8:48 PM PDT
It looks like you may have reversed the up/down speeds. Either that or they are now offering faster uploads than downloads.
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by Adam_in_Maryland October 22, 2008 8:49 PM PDT
How many megabytes an hour does one WOW account churn? :) Seriously, everything is so expensive these days! $100 a month for Internet access? What happened to $20 a month dial up plan being too expensive?
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by Galaxy5 October 22, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
Fewer providers = higher cost. It's simple.
by HeretikSaint October 23, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
I looked this question up too when I first heard about this but what I figured out is that WoW uses almost no bandwidth at all. It's like a couple megabytes an hour. There is very little information moving between the client and server. You should be able to play WoW continuously all month long and never get near the bandwidth cap.
by Urza9814 October 22, 2008 10:30 PM PDT
Have they upgraded their other plans? I've still got an old 4.75/.3 plan...is that gonna get any faster? Hell, I'm paying over $50/month for it...Is that 'Performance'? I've always heard it referred to as 'The old Adelphia plan'...

And DAMN to the business tiers - when I called them about the possibility of a business package, they told me it was $100/month for a 6/1 business line. Now that same $100 is 22/5! Nice!
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by Urza9814 October 22, 2008 10:34 PM PDT
Oh, I missed that '10 major markets over the next year' part. Guess that means I can expect it in 5+ years. And since my only choices are Comcast or satellite....
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by zanzzz October 22, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
The 250 gig cap is a fear mongering campaign. If you go over the limit the second time you're gone for a year. Want to know how much bandwidth you use? Comcast won't tell you or even suggest where to get the software that will. Of course they know and track how much you use! By their own admission a very small percentage of customers are heavy users. They claim the limit is to provide fast Internet experience for all their customers yet offer plans that allow such use. So throwing more money at them magically solves the limited bandwidth constraints that are the excuse for caps? Now they roll out even faster speeds so you can reach your cap that much sooner. The result is likely to cause many users to curb their usage even though they are not even remotely close to reaching the cap. While HD video and other large bandwidth consuming applications are just starting up Comcast's actions are a discouraging shot across the bow. What may seem as an extravagant indulgence of bandwidth hogging will likely soon be much closer to the norm as compelling uses of high bandwidth applications are rolled out. But as long as oligopolies such as Comcast can put the breaks on bandwidth use innovation will be stifled. If there was keen competition among ISP's Comcast would witness a stampede of customers leaving for a less threatening provider.
The bandwidth usage cap in essence violates net neutrality which is a not so hidden agenda. If you use Comcast VOIP your phone bandwidth will not count towards the cap but Vonage will! Now imagine HD streaming provided by Comcast which of course will not be counted towards the cap yet other competitor's bandwidth streams will certainly be. The not so subtle effect is to steer consumers toward the Comcast content. This is the actual goal of these over reaching ISP's, to tilt the table of competition in their direction especially as they expand into content and advertising niches to reap greater profits.
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by Lerianis October 22, 2008 11:49 PM PDT
And that is the exact reason why I filed an FCC complaint against Comcast because of their bandwidth caps: because they give you NO WAY to monitor your usage, and it REEKS to me of trying to protect their cable service and not allowing you to get cable shows online instead of through their cable subscriptions.
by iff2mastamatt October 23, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
Download "Bitmeter" and set the cap to 250GB. It's a small program that keeps track of your data transfered every month. It's also free, give it a try.
by Lerianis October 24, 2008 1:58 AM PDT
That Bitmeter thing only works if you only have one computer on your connection. I have 4! Now, that thing is not going to be of use to someone who HAS MORE THAN ONE COMPUTER, which is why Comcast needs to get off their *****, offer a bandwidth meter online, or simply GET RID OF THE CAPS, with the bulk going to Get rid of the FARKING CAPS!
by ddanckaert October 23, 2008 12:33 AM PDT
I have the current "Blast" plan at 16/2 speeds for which I pay a $10 premium ($52) over the standard $42 plan which now provides 12/2 speeds.

I would be interested in the 22/5 "Ultra" plan($62/month), were it not for the fact that Comcast requires one to rent a DOCSIS 3.0 modem for $3/month, making the real monthly cost $65/month (despite the fact that the 22/5 speeds could easily be handled by DOCSIS 2.0 modems). I have not been able to find a DOCSIS 3.0 modem that I can buy.

So this begs the question: is there really that much of a real advantage to 16/2 over 12/2 to justify that $10 premium? I think not. In fact, my "premium" plan used to be 6, 8, 12, and now 16 (as it's been increased over the years). I think the smart course of action will be to downgrade to 12/2 and save $10 on my already ridiculously overpriced cable bill. Thanks Comcast!
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by mcrosby78 October 23, 2008 3:22 AM PDT
Wow! I'm so glad I live in the UK!

We get up to 24mb / 2.5mb (Dn/Up) for around $45/mo with no caps on DSL. Cable is going up to 50mb/8mb (Dn/Up) within the next few months, and I bet the price will beat comcast's plans!

I seriously don't understand why ISP's have to have caps. Surely a half hour slow down in busy periods if you are one of the top 1% of bandwidth hogs should be enough?
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by Lerianis October 24, 2008 2:00 AM PDT
The problem is that Comcast doesn't want anyone to know that the '1% of bandwidth hogs' are the early adopters of services and features! That is why they appear to be 'bandwidth hogs': we are the first people to try any damn service!
by daddywifi October 23, 2008 5:17 AM PDT
Don't know if you realized it but your "up/down" speeds should be reversed.
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by Thomas, David October 23, 2008 5:38 AM PDT
This is a game of theft everyone.

Anyone who doesn't understand my statement should simple go back to 1990. Eighteen years ago when we had other means of internet access. Find out what T1, and T3 means. Learn about the primary locations of internet nodes, and why they exist. There are towns in US where high speed access was made available via the power-lines. Find out how that works.

Take a look at what Houston, Tx, and Austin, Tx had. You might draw some startling conclusions.

In the 90s' where was Comcast, and the Bells then when it came to the internet? This is the very reason that cities can create their own infrastructure to shut these pigs down. Learn how. That will shake the bones of the likes of Comcast to it's core.
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by DDD2323 October 23, 2008 6:29 AM PDT
This is stupid. Squeezing americans for every, last, dime. Instead of making the leaps and bounds that other countries are doing, we increase our cable by a measly 40 some odd MBPS!?

Japan's DSL lines make that look like a joke for the fraction of a cost!

So does their Fiber-Optic line which is 1GBPS up an down which is targeted for family homes!

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/09/29/japanese-offer-gigabit-per
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by itdeptchicago October 23, 2008 7:33 AM PDT
For businesses - why pay $350 for a data T1 when you can pay a lot less for a these products?
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by davidian56 October 23, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
Because T1s have much better support if your line goes down. Plus the are much more reliable than a DSL or Cable. When you buy a T1 these days, you are basically paying for the top notch support and uptime.
by sythara October 23, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
Comcast is a business and as a business they have a right to do what ever the hell they want when it comes to service providing. If you don't like it, switch to someone else. If no one else is available, well internet access is not a utility (where it must be provided in one way or another). You do not need internet, and constitution does not say that private companies will provide internet to consumers.

No one ******* when AOL was charging by the hour in the 90s. Not many ******* when @home put similar limitations back in late 90s. If you don't like the service, don't use it! Or move to Montana where cable internet here is faster than comcast (by alot) and no caps.
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by renGek October 23, 2008 10:26 AM PDT
They are not like a small business that opens up on their own and make their own money. Comcast gets subsidies from local municipalities (i.e. your local tax dollars are given to them) for incentives. You can't do business with a city, use their property, their tax dollars and then try to hijack their customers at the same time.

And yes, some do need the internet because that is how they work. We have to vpn into our corporate networks. And since everything is going digital if you say the internet is not needed then you have to have the same philosophy for phone, tv, radio etc.
by raptor99 October 23, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
With new home products coming out everyday that utilize the Internet for their content or updates, it's only a matter of time before an Internet connection will become a utility.

...And Montana? Are you for real? You don't even a million people living in that state and there is a reason for it, IT'S BORING!!
by the_iceman October 23, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
comcast sucks fat donkey's
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by danielszabo1981 October 23, 2008 10:49 AM PDT
Morally outrageous. How is it that we can attempt to turn the entire world green through the development of nuclear solar panels and water-powered cars...but when it comes to ousting these bastards, everyone just stands around looking confused?

See, THIS is the kind of crap that i would LOVE to see come up in a presidential debate.

I hate this country.
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by Someone-else October 23, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
IMO 250Gb/mounth is good enough, it's more than 8Gb/s everyday, enough for movies every single night.

And also, you should be happy with it, I can't get anything better than my 300Kb/s internet without paying a fortune, right now.
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by Lerianis October 24, 2008 2:02 AM PDT
No, it is not 'good enough'. A lot of people like myself buy download games that clock in at over 20 GB's for ONE GAME. So no, 250GB's is nowhere near good enough, cable industry shill.
by juliebly October 24, 2008 7:36 AM PDT
No it's not! I download videos, this will limit me to like 1 video and hopefully I can still use my webcam then to talk to my friends oversieze. If I'm paying for a "special service" I better be getting what I pay for. Verizon doesn't limit. Again I cannot WAIT til Verizon comes to my area. It's less then 5 miles from my house now, only a matter of time.
by CharlieatComcast October 24, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
Thank you for a rational comment. It's important to consider some real life examples of what it would take to reach 250 GB in a month. For example, you would have to download more than 60,000 music files at 4 MB/song. At $0.99/song, you'd have to spend almost $60,000 in one month. In addition, 60,000 songs at about 4 minutes/song equals 4,000 hours of music. Since there are only about 720 hours in a month, it would take 5 months to actually listen to all that music running 24/7.

Or, consider downloading movie rentals. You?d have to download more than 120 standard-def movies at 2 GB/movie every month. 120 standard-def movie rentals would cost you about $500 a month and purchasing them outright at $14.99 per movie would be more than $1,800 per month. Plus you need more than 180 hours in a month to actually watch all those movies.

So, having an Acceptable Use Policy on extraordinarily excessive use of our residential service is nothing new?it?s been around for years -- and it's there to protect the online experience for the more than 99%+ of customers who don't use anywhere near 250 GB in a month. - Charlie Douglas, Comcast
by Kazrath December 2, 2008 4:29 PM PST
Obviously you are some troll repeating a memo from Charlie. But your statistics are very misleading.

If I have a family of 4. 2 teenagers and 2 adults who each use the multiple computers to watch content they enjoy, play games, use web cams and other such activities, even downloading 2 standard def movies a piece a week + regular usage the cap will be passed.

And the major lie left out of your statement Charlie is the fact that everything is moving to HD. All current camcorders are HD. HD takes a lot of bandwidth Charlie, to upload and download. Shows & Movies in HD are 4 time larger Charlie. That knocks you down to 1 HD movie a day for every person. 250GB was a great cap 10 years ago charlie. But today, It is a bit low. But you pencil pushing retards go on believing what you want. As other posters have indicated as soon as a viable option reaches my area I to will dump the load of garbage that is comcast.
by BuyAppleMac October 24, 2008 5:57 AM PDT
I must be missing something. Why pay such a premium when it only allows you to surpass your transfer cap that much faster? It will be interesting to see how many residential customers fall for such folly. Then again, I recall the famous quote credited to P.T. Barnum which rings true yet today. Oh, Comcast. Surely you jest.
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by juliebly October 24, 2008 7:33 AM PDT
"Comcast's PR representative Charlie Douglas tells me the cap will remain in place for residential customers, although for right now business customers are free to go over that." I cannot WAIT until Verzion comes to my area! Cheaper, hopefully better service, and better pricing for sure.
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by labazzo October 24, 2008 8:37 AM PDT
This is why I switched to Verizon Fiber when they came to my area. I have a 20/5 connection at around 45 a month. No caps. I hope they don't start either. Most of what I do is internet surfing now a days. With comcast I was paying over 50 for a 6/768k connection. Comcast wil never see me again unless they compete with verizon.
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