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September 9, 2008 4:11 PM PDT

iTunes 8: Slick Genius, still sluggish

by Seth Rosenblatt
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Apple's improvements to iTunes today have garnered the music and video jukebox a full-point jump, although longtime users will only find one major new feature and a few interesting smaller ones. As for addressing the bloat factor, fuggedaboudit. iTunes is the big bad, and it's not about to get any thinner.

iTunes' new Grid View can be used to browse both Albums and Artists.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

Available for Windows and Mac, the best and most useful new feature is the Genius playlist. This analyzes your music collection with an algorithm that compares the structure and the sound of your songs to create playlists that it thinks you'll like. In practice, it works fairly well, but not flawlessly, and it can be activated when playing any song by hitting the atomic symbol at the bottom right of the iTunes windows. Keep in mind, you must have an iTunes Store account for Genius playlists to work.

After starting off with Tom Waits' "Coney Island Baby," the Genius playlist offered up selections from Pavement, Nick Cave, The Magnetic Fields, PJ Harvey, and Nirvana, among others. Although the Pavement song and the Nirvana one seemed a bit incongruous, they made more sense than when the Genius recommended traditional Japanese Taiko.

The Genius playlist has some useful touches that make it more appealing than it would be otherwise. You can save any playlist that it creates, for one. You can also limit the list to 25, 50, 75, or 100 songs. It's not really clear why this can't be a user-determined figure, though.

The Genius will also recommend music to buy from the iTunes Music Store. The recommendations when playing The Ramones' "The KKK Took My Baby Away" earned me two "Top Album" recommendations, Acid Eaters, and Adios Amigos. I was a bit surprised that Acid Eaters was a top Ramones album, since it only has three-and-a-half stars on iTunes compared with Adios Amigos' five stars.

Even less accurate was the "Top Songs You're Missing" list. Of the five offered, I had three in my collection. The Other Artists recommendations, at the bottom of the list, were more sensible, with Iggy Pop, a solo record by Joey Ramone, the Misfits, the Sex Pistols, and the surprisingly smart choice of the New York Dolls, among others.

The Genius playlist offers songs it thinks you'll like, as well as providing iTunes Store recommendations.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

Just as iTunes itself takes a long time to import music collections--30 minutes for my 50 GB of tracks--the Genius playlist takes even longer to analyze your music. Granted, it's doing a fairly complicated procedure in which it sends your data back to Apple's servers, and provides recommendations based on your likes and on what other iTunes Music Store users like, too. While it's doing all this, you can still use the program to listen to music, which is useful except that the process turns iTunes into an even bigger resource hog than it normally is.

Also new is the grid view, which lets you see your collection of music and videos in a grid of cover art. You can play that album or video straight from the view: when you mouse over the art, a "Play Album" link appears. Just click the arrow to start playback. While navigating the different views, waiting for the Genius playlist to finish up, I did notice that scrolling through my large collection of music was much faster than in version 7.

The new visualizer mode, magnetosphere, was originally developed as an iTunes plug-in. It has a much stronger "flying-through-space" vibe. The old visualizer is still available, now called "classic," for those of you who want to space out, old school. There's also support for HD television shows, and NBC is back with Apple, for those of you who can't bear to torrent or TiVo your TV.

Seth peers into the deep, dark corners of software so that you don't have to. He has yet to suffer a single nightmare about OS/2. You can follow him on Twitter.
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by cogwac September 9, 2008 9:16 PM PDT
I use an iTunes download from CNET that I think is even smarter than Genius -- sideTunes.

It doesn't just list song recommendations, it automatically adds full-tracks to your playlists (via streaming). You can set a slider to tell sideTunes what percentage of recommended songs you want mixed into your own iTunes music. Unfortunately, it's windows only right now. http://www.download.com/NuTsie-sideTunes/3000-2168_4-10850918.html?tag=mncol&cdlPid=10854555
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by jeepinls September 9, 2008 11:56 PM PDT
I can't say that I know the Genius is an additional ploy for funds from my credit card. I will say that on the surface this is what it appears to be as when you enable the genius, you are giving the ok for all of your music library info to be shared with partner companies. These companies will look at your personal library and determine that because you listen to bands 1, 3, & 5, you must be an unemployed ironworker (just an example, no offense ironworkers) if you listen to genre 6&9 you would love to shop @ --- and smell this cologne ect. I cannot pick music for anyone, just as no- one can pick for me. This just another way to delve into my personal stuff ,no one needs to know if I listen to Metallica Black or George Jones.The blasting of my e-mail accounts with even more junk ads I'll pass!
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by bigmc6000 September 11, 2008 7:02 AM PDT
And paranoia strikes again... Did you not read the part where Apple explicitly says it's 1) not sharing anything with anyone and 2) it's anonymous?

Let me guess - you have a bunch of aluminum hats as well?
by dirty55409 September 11, 2008 10:09 PM PDT
They can claim they won't share information all they want.... but they do. Not in certain obvious forms, but they'll sell your info no doubt. Spam Mail doesn't just magically find your email address. I don't use Itunes and never will. So I guess I'm safe **Takes aluminum hat off** lol
by jeksfcusa September 10, 2008 5:28 AM PDT
Ihave the ION TTUSB turntable and have transferred a number of 331/3LP's to CD. The accompanying software, which was recently updated, requird that I also download iTunes. I am now curious as to establishing an account with iTunes for the purpose(s) of having the ability to download various types of music for the use(s) of my grand children and a few friends. I would prefer that I be able to perform this with online checking if at all possible. Any and all informatin that you may supply will be most appreciated. Thank You. John E. Kershaw. U.S.Army ret. jeksfcusa@comcaswt.net.
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by wb_bluestar September 10, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
I-tunes, Schmy-tunes

Whatever!

I'll never use or join any device or service that forces me into robotic acceptance of their product, expecting me to pay a huge surcharge for it. Where's my kiss, Apple?

Go ahead lemmings, rave all you want. Me and my Sansa are just fine.

WB*
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by n0th3r3 September 11, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
Yeah! Instead of following the Apple crowd, I plug third-rate also-ran music players on iTunes news posts, which is way cooler! You can tell my chosen corporate allegiance is superior to yours because Apple far outsells it, making it totally underground. Now, if you'll excuse me from going out of my way to look down my nose at you simple minded idiots, I have things to do, 70's pop rock groups to listen to. The smell of my own fart isn't going to appreciate itself.
by dirty55409 September 11, 2008 10:12 PM PDT
it's sad when cool and fancy outsell better quality sound but that's how capitalism works..... Creative Zen, Zen Vision: M, Zen Vision: W etc. are all rated and proven as having FAR BETTER SOUND QUALITY THAN Apple's Lineup. If you think Ipods are the only quality Audio/Video players out there n0th3r3, you need to look a little harder my friend.
by hrdhead27.anamarie September 16, 2008 11:16 PM PDT
A person after my own heart. i hate apple and all the hype and i won't have an ipod when all the other mp3 players are equally good or better at much lower prices. It's music, not brain surgery. Sherry
by SGDevaney September 21, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
iTunes is pure bloatware. For years it has been a resource hog, adding insult to injury by arbitarily adding services too. Apple - it doesn't need to suck up that much memory. Sucking is bad!
It's getting to the point where I'm suspecting a conspiracy - be it Apple trying to convince a PC person like me that PCs can't do software well, or Microsoft by forcing Apple's software to be an insult to a programmer.

Phew - rant over. I only installed the wretched thing because it made it easy for me to transfer my CDs to MP3s. Now it's been un-installed on principle.
by ron-pierre September 10, 2008 9:16 AM PDT
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by dirty55409 September 11, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
make sure your browser is up to date. You need to have activeX I think to download from cnet. not sure though
by wogus September 10, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
Genius does not work if your playlist consists of mainly foreign music.. Also sometimes it will recommend songs that are nothing like the ones I am listening to if the artist name coincides to the non western group. In short, iTunes is unable to identify any of my songs and on top of that it seems to be taking longer to load than it used to before.
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by tokern123 September 10, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
READ THIS BEFORE YOU UPDATE TO itunes 8:
All the songs I transferred from Cds to itunes 4 years ago suddenly wouldn't play. It only plays the songs purchased from itunes store or Cds transferred recently.Thousands of my songs I transferred a long time ago were not recognized. It's asking for the original CD to be loaded again so it can analyze the music collection for the Genius feature to work.
So if you transferred your CDs a long time ago, i don't recommend updating to the new version itunes8.
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by bigmc6000 September 11, 2008 7:03 AM PDT
I'm gonna have call BS on this one... I've got ripped CD files from over 5 years ago and nothing happened to them at all. FUD much?
by john_zocco September 11, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
I also have music ripped from my CD's in 2004, and they play just fine. I never heard of iTunes asking for the original CD to be inserted; I don't have that problem. It sounds almost Orwellian! By the way Genius will only analyze the music you bought from the iTunes Store. It won't analyze music ripped from CD's or acquired through other sources.
by dirty55409 September 11, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
they weren't recognized but they're still most likely playable... orwellian indeed.
by brookeb September 10, 2008 2:49 PM PDT
Now who was the genius who thought up Genius? All it seems to be good at is finding more music for me to buy than anything else. What a joke! The minute I can find how to opt-out, I'll be on the next train outa there.
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by n0th3r3 September 11, 2008 12:32 PM PDT
You have to click the genius button in the bottom right corner to make playlists, otherwise it's just an advanced itunes store toolbar.
by daas88 September 10, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
ha! those are old features that come with banshee 1.0, my favorite media player in ubuntu. i had been a fan of download.com for years, but not anymore since i switched to linux =D
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by KRB123 September 11, 2008 6:54 AM PDT
I love the genius button. I'm rediscovering music in my 50gig collection that I'd forgotten I had. For everyone who doesn't want to be sold something...just turn off the Genius side panel. That is one of the nice things about iTunes--if you want to hear about other music you can. If you don't, turn the "ads" off.
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by bigmc6000 September 11, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
Something that a lot of people seem to be missing is that Genius not only recommends new music for you but for those of us with huge libraries it helps us re-discover songs in our library. That's the playlist the author is talking about - it's actually quite entertaining and makes for a great party mix or workout list.
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by Spoonio101 September 11, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
hmmmm...from a marketing perspective, this looks like it can generate further advertising revenue for itunes...such as paid search to be on the top spots for musicians with the genius button...

even though my genius button gave me ok results on the type of music that i might like, i still kinda of like the feature, just needs further tuning...
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by myles taylor September 11, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
Genius isn't automatically turned on. It's an optional feature. No one is forcing anyone into robotic acceptance. I don't usually buy music from iTunes, so I don't find the sidebar very useful, but the one from my playlist I really like.
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by fotark September 11, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
this is the biggest let down apple done in a long time. all apple is doing is playing keep up with the zune and rhapsody, who put up channels and remediations that do pretty much do what genius dose. the hd videos are cool i give them that. but i find it odd that the biggest player in this game is copy off #2&3 and calling something new.
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by blog_craft September 11, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
Whatever! ITunes 8 still sucks!

I don?t have an iTunes account, and I don?t want an iTunes account so genius is out of the question!
Genius is just a tool for apple to get free info of what people like to hear an sell more, not to make you "re-discover" your music, common! use your head, it?s your music you don?t re discover it by re arrange it!

I am very disappointed about these wanna be upgrade of iTunes that?s even slower than ever!

Sorry, I?m back to 7
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by Lerianis September 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT
I don't use iTunes and never would (I don't like DRM'ed music or DRM'ed ANYTHING really), but if it is getting that bloated.... maybe it's time to start laying off Microsoft for the bloatedness of Windows Vista, because it seems that Apple is going that direction as well.
by blog_craft September 11, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
Whatever! ITunes 8 still sucks!

I don?t have an iTunes account, and I don?t want an iTunes account so genius is out of the question!
Genius is just a tool for apple to get free info of what people like to hear and sell more, not to make you "re-discover" your music, common! Use your head, it?s your own music you don?t re-discover it by re arrange it!
I am very disappointed about these wanna be upgrade of iTunes that?s even slower than ever!

Sorry, I?m back to 7
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by sthanis September 11, 2008 1:34 PM PDT
I like I-tunes but I know for a fact, that I-tunes can not, let me say it again, can not beat Media Monkey. everything about it is off the chain. I just wish it can work with my Scratch Live "Serrato". then I will finally quit I-tunes. Does anybody no how to sync Media Monkey with I-tunes?
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by Brent212 September 11, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
Holy cr@p, I can't believe people use this thing! That's hilarious. I haven't looked at itunes in awhile, but holy **** it's gotten retarded! So much useless cr@p. I'll take win explorer and mp3 tag studio, thanks. Not installing a "media OS" on top of my OS is pretty crazy, I know. You actually need some stupid bloated application that modifies your file system to tell you what to listen to? So lame.
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by gwenn September 11, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
I very recently updated to iTunes 8 and I greatly regret it. I don't want the "Genius Bar" -- I've already got this nifty little application from Roxio, "Boombox" (no longer on the market, it appears) that makes automatic playlists for me, if I want -- and it took away the automatic link to the iTunes Store that showed me other music by the artist I've highlighted. That was WAY more helpful. I don't want iTunes showing me music I might like, especially if it could wind up rendering my downloaded CDs unreadable, like one user here testified to experiencing. Is there any way I can go back to the earlier version of iTunes?
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by mavalos88 September 11, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
Waited so long for this? :S
Pretty crappy if you ask me. Napster has had the Genius thing since like 1 or 2 years ago, they call it Automix.
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